Carrying out an attempted, true in 26 day. But former soldiers and civilians will now spend the rest of their life in prison. And in ethiopia, the Prime Minister, what is the army to begin . What hes calling the final phase of his offensive against the northern reaches. Im Rebecca Ritters welcome to the program. German chancellor Angela Merkel has warned that the country faces a tough months ahead. As it faces down the coronavirus pandemic. She told paula meant that measures to curb its spread may well be extended into next year. She also said more restrictions were necessary as of next month because although the infection right has stabilised, it remains at a high level and the number of deaths has also reached a record high medical once again repeated a mantra thats become familiar to anyone closely following her statements through out the pandemic, stopping the spread of the virus is in everyones hands. You know, i was going to say very clearly, its up to us. Were not powerless. Without any doubt, we have difficult months ahead of us. But the way in which people have overcome so many problems in the history of humankind. Even during this pandemic, every single one of us can actively contribute to getting through this period. Well, of chancellor Angela Merkel there addressing the bonus time at the German Parliament is our chief political editor. Was of course listening to the chancellors address. Michel, how was merkels speech received there or clearly it was an americans latest appeal for people to take individual responsibility. This week, after a new law was passed, that opens a catalogue of measures that can be taken. Here with me right now is getting some store. Shes the copartner leader of the far right. If tea party in the German Parliament. And i would just like you to respond to once again, appealing to peoples individual responsibility that well if she would only stick to the personal responsibility, everything would be fine. But this is not all the measures they are. They are taking. They are going ahead with all those measures which have been taken the last few months and theyre shutting down businesses there. Im forcing people to stay home. They are forcing people to stay in and under current pain, theyre forcing people to we must, we could just see the chancellor rearing a must, when all the cameras are on spot, half an hour later, she takes off the mask herself and just demonstrate that she doesnt believe that makes any sense to wear them us otherwise she would keep it on. But shes she, she doesnt, we can sit in the parliament on 11 and a half meter inside from another without a mask. At the same time, we ask people to were mosque when they go shopping. We tell the people they come meet at home with more than 10 people, for example. But if you want to meet all your friends, then go to a Public Public bus because you can drive a public bus and you can drive the train and take the train and the sub sub train and everything else. Public transport there you can meet your friends because there is allowed to go out with even more than 10 people. The restaurant in the parliament is open, the restaurants outside the parliament a closed. So this makes no sense. People do not asked and what that why, why one are treated different to another. And so its shown that the measures they are taking make no make no sense or your coat. And part of that at least vital actually goes a step further. She sees that this is an, describes it as an attack on the very democratic principles themselves here in germany. But at the same time, the new regulations that were passed with a clear majority in parliament. So what is your foundation for that . Well, if you take measures like they have been taken, now, it doesnt, the majority of the government is not enough. They have to change the constitution. They needed to through it majority to change our constitution to give them the rights to empower themselves. What they now did is the empower themselves with the small minority of the government, and then take all the power and decide whatever they want to the site. They have to change the constitution and they didnt do that. Now its also privilege under the constitution that if the party can actually hold a physical meeting with some 600. 00 delegates or the only party in germany, that will be doing that this coming weekend with all the risks attached to take the responsibility for about. Well, there we have got a very clear he guinnesss system. Im so we were asked to present our, our measures had to take so we stay. If 11 and a half meters we have to rearm us everything. What was tools to use to, to, to help against the infection . So if that doesnt work, the last few months have gone wrong. No, we have got strict measures, we will keep them. And this is why we can do it. And its very important to have those gatherings. Its important for the democrats. See, and its not thanks to the government, we will do it and i think well do it right. Ok, well, well see what comes after. Thank you very much. Appear to be fun story. Coleader of the fired if tea party here in the parliament and without back to back of argentina has declared 3 days of mourning for superstar footballer Diego Maradona. He died on wednesday at the age of 60 after suffering a heart attack. Fans are paying their respects at the president ial palace and one of the ira is the marathoners body is lying in state. Crowds have been gathering outside with police struggling to contain the large numbers of people. Many considered mad honored to be the best player there ever was, but his life, both on and off the pitch was also marked by controversy. His doctor at his side. This is the last public photo of diego, armando donna, after a successful brain operation early november. Hed been visibly ill that the coroner said is his rise to stardom was meaty. Are his goals spectacular . The striker with the number 10 shirt had his career highlight at the 986 world cup in mexico. He travelled his way through confused and helpless defensive lines. His hand assisted goal against england will go down in history. Marathoner later misty vs lee called it the hand of god. He became and National Hero in argentina. But after the great rise came the fall, he struggled with drug and alcohol addiction for years. After his brain surgery he was going through detox, but marathoner suffered a heart attack. The magical and talented marathoner will now receive a state funeral fitting for one of the greatest footballers. If not the greatest of all time. I and just how many lives maradona touched became abundantly clear in the hour has made it late after news of his death broke thousands of stunned football fans in argentina, spain and italy poured on to the streets to want to and celebrate their light idol celebration of life to honor the death of a hero. Scenes of fans gathered at the obelisk in buenos aires, in commemoration of the football. Great very clear, very sad. I have no words to describe such pain. I think as some love for at their set, god is debt. The legend of marriage donna is global. Victorians or paul steiger is and he was a superstar. He was truly great and he is especially remembered in the cities where he played like barcelona michel when i came to visit enough to know him just well, you know, since i was born, maradona was always a presence. He was a god for the whole world in a fishbowl, or he was the best of the best for our in naples, with the fans and wont forget the 2 italian championships. They won jerry maradonas time in their city. But out of the morning, chris, this is a sign that we will hold up all over naples. His death has rocked the world to fit ball. Tributes are flooding in from the sports biggest stars, including one from his compatriot and successor, lionel messi. Even the vatican has expressed condolences. Pope francis will do also argentinian, and an ardent football lover himself had met marriage on a, on many occasions he held the former Football Player and his prayer is remembering him with affection. The rest of the world is following suit. For more on this, im joined by entanglement on his former agent, john smith from england. John, thanks for joining us. You represented maryland on a from 1979900, youre in the height of his career. What kind of person was he was actually a lovely young. I mean the, weve talked about some of the last 24 hours, obviously, to the american owners. There was diego close to him for a few years. That situation to change. He was the little boy still from the suburbs of the slums, actually of what is there east. And then there was a baritone of america that was the star of the cross that wiped out on the beach. Thats what arizona shown us. That was, it was the same person, but it was a different individual. That was the one blessed with telephones in short of one to 3, brought light on the world. Then he became diego again. But that changed. And that finished really to the end of his playing career, that shining light that you speak of. Is that a reason you think that he was so loved . Not just in argentina about way ever he played yeah. The talent was exceptional and appropriate because british football over its wonderful personality is possessive, if you call it sprinkled a little special dust on him before you know, but he really was unique talent. And i talk about young diego. He was a lovely soul to just got a bit lost when he couldnt still reach the heights physically that he could. He worked very hard to keep that physicality going for some years. And then when he couldnt. And we talk about just a few. I dont know that many geniuses that i hope for or i guess when theyve achieved so much, its difficult to keep yourself in that particular and secure place to settle and thats when things got a little difficult for. Yeah, of course. I mean, there were some documents after his career, but also during his career i am as his agent, how did you try to manage that . Very difficult because he was always running because he was such a lovely guy surrounded by a lot of people with a lot of voices in his is so yeah, we did. It was difficult to manage all of that. You drove the streets of naples and there were huge pictures of jesus from hanging from buildings and huge pieces as big as jesus hanging next to jesus. And they would be a good paradigm. Has pictures. Its, you know, when youve got i dont know the tree. Its difficult to manage, but absolute pleasure, and a privilege to have been part of a very unique persons life. What kind of legacy is he going to leave behind . I think history will be calling to him. I think if you look at me yesterday for me was a kind of joke laden moment. You know, john lennon had many destructors when he was alive. So obviously as well. Diego, similar the as many destructors, but i think the fact that he was, or it was all him bracing what actually be a stroll in each of all the you see, john, thank you so much for sharing your experiences with john smith, former agent of Diego Maradona and it turned out some other stories making headlines this hour. A powerful cyclon has lashed Southern India with heavy rains and strong winds. The storm made landfall in the city of cherry truck triggering floods and cutting power lines along the coast to Tamil Nadu State capital. Chennai. Officials said accurate forecasting and the evacuation of hundreds of thousands of people helped avert casualties. Hundreds of demonstrate his have taken to the streets of chill a to support legislation, allowing them to withdraw up to 10 percent of their pension funds. Early opposition will make it say it would help them to cope with the current economic crisis. Unemployment rate has tripled during the pandemic. Us President Donald Trump has pardoned former National Security advisor, michael flynn. Plane had pleaded guilty to lying to the f. B. I. About interactions he had with russias ambassador to the u. S. Its the highest profile, pardon . Granted, by trump, since he took office iran has frayed of british astray and academics serving a 10 Year Prison Sentence for allegedly spying connally more gilbert was arrested more than 2 years ago. After attending a conference in the city of calm, she describes her release as the end of a long and traumatic ordeal. State television said it came as part of a Prisoner Exchange for 3, iranians. It watching date over the news is still to come. We speak to a photographer who has created a very special body of work documenting the lives and journeys of people forced to flee their homelands. At 1st Turkish Court has handed down life sentences for 337. Defendants accused of carrying out an attempted coup in 26 staying many of those sentenced for me for my army, commanders and pilots. They were convicted of crimes including murder, and attempting to overthrow the constitution. A massive trial is one of many cases against suspected members of a network, allegedly operated by the us based cleric, fethullah gulen, who ankara accuses of orchestrating the failed coup. And for more, lets bring in our correspondent julie hahn in istanbul. Here. What more can you tell us about this trial . Well, this trial in the capital ankara has taken plays in one of turkeys a largest, a court rooms. Its a very high profile trial that has been going on for more than 3 years. You mentioned the number of defendants here, nearly 500 defendants. Most of them members, former members of the Turkish Military Army Commandos pilots, but also several civilians accused of being so cold ringleader as now all of the defendants trials for direct involvement in the coup attempt in july 26th, seen a very traumatic event for turkey, 250 people died back then when rogue soldiers attacked state institutions with war planes and helicopters and tangs and sought to take control and oust the government of a president , edwin edwin. Himself off to this road to go off to the perpetrators which he labeled a traitor has ended terrorists. And let me mention that this trial today is one of nearly 300 similar trials weve seen over the past 2 years. According to the figures we have more than 4000 suspects have already been convicted many to life imprisonment or aggravated life sentences, which means there is no chance for parole. So these trials are part of all of the turkish government crackdown on those. It considers terrorists and enemies of the state. You know, you mentioned the word crackdown there. I mean, is this a way of silencing regime critics through the courts . Well this is part of the criticism me here really because they say coa 10 back then was stamped out quite quickly, but its legacy still haunts. And there has been a fear, a fear of scale them and crackdown on critical voices. If you look at the figure is up 2150000, Public Sector employees including teachers and judges, have been suspended, was sacked from their jobs for allegedly to this. So do lend Network Thousands more have been arrested. And the criticism here is that the government has used this post a coup, thai and a state of emergency even to go after any critical voices. Not only those somehow linked to the glenn network, but also leftists, kodesh, politicians and activists. And journalists. And this has really done a huge damage to turkish society, increasing the polarization here between those who support the government and those who dont. You live. Thank you. Speaking to us from istanbul, if europeans Prime Minister ahmed says the army has been ordered to move on the capital of the Northern Region in what hes calling the final phase of the offensive some half a 1000000 residents of the capital. Mike kelly have been warned to stay indoors. The move comes just hours after an ultimatum expired for regional leaders to surrender to the central government. The u. N. Is warning, its running low on essential supplies for the nearly 1000000. 00 people whove been displaced by the conflict. Our correspondent mario mina reports. We are only 80 kilometers away from the border into the region of ticket. I where heavy fighting still continues. This u. N. Camp called camp once housed refugees who fled if youre to spam and in the 1980 s. Now the camp is expected to house several 1000 refugees. As the u. N. Refugee agency told us many more than the original capacity of 6000 people here. Desperate they tell us water, food and shelter, scarce some of them have to sleep on the ground, struggling to get enough food and medical aid. The new refugees crossing the border to sudan, worry aid groups, a representative told us, we are able to respond to a growing influx once housed refugees who fled if your peers famine in the 980 s. Now some 9000 people have saved themselves once again. But this time its because of war. In this hospital, people wait for hours before receiving treatment. Like i got it. She, her baby and her father escaped the war in the town of i was afraid because the bombs kept falling for 3 days. We just left without money, without clothes. It took 10 days to come here. And now we here in sudan. Weve been in this scam for 3 days. We dont have any shelter at the moment, her father has terminal cancer. Since they got out, he hasnt received his medication. The u. N. Refugee agency is bracing for more refugees. Crossing the border from ethiopia. People need the thing from water, food, and shelter. So at the moment we are catering for over 9000 people. Help me and thats not enough. And its children who are suffering the most. Its estimated that hard of the refugees are children. Many of them need medical treatment like 5 month old. Hes been coughing and has had diarrhea since days. I cant breast feed him. And here they dont have milk powder and the food, the baby needs outside the hospital we need whose house was bombed and who made up the side of reportedly some of the heaviest fighting between its European Forces and the to grain army. He got shot in the leg. Im alone, my mom and my dad were killed by the bombing. These clothes are my only ones. I wear them for days. Nobody helps me. I dont have enough water or food here. Nobody takes care of me. Its more refugees arrive island fears that the situation could get even worse. When europes biggest refugee camp moria went up in flames, in september, magnum photographer, and santa, i was there to capture it. And ive been documenting the lives of Asylum Seekers for years is working. Grace puts human faces to the stories of desperation. At a time when the cold weather and a Coronavirus Crisis make the situation for migrants more precarious than ever. Its a few days before a new kofi 1000 lockdown took effect, and return. I was out taking photos. Victoria square has become a makeshift home for many migrants who fled the fire on the island of moria. Theyve been granted Asylum Seekers status. The creases new asylum laws mean theyre left to their own devices. Theyre no longer entitle to any Government Support or shelter making their situation even worse. Sinai has been documenting their fates for years. And he can relate to them because when he was a child, he and his family fled albania, and lived for a time without documentation in athens. The magnum photographer has made refugees and migrants the focus of his work. When fire broke out at the camp in moria, he headed there mama, i remember the exhaustion and the fear in their eyes. But i also saw hope there, that moria would finally be over and it would finally get better. Like the day after the fire, one of the girls, i photographed 12 year old money from afghanistan, organized a protest march made up whenever we got at 1st. There were just 20. 00 other children, but then the march will be bigger. People just wanted off the i was very quick with its of mcafee, the photographer is a kind of anchor for some here. Also from afghanistan. This is why this miles will be far fewer than a bomb. And when i told her that id be leaving again in a few days, she suddenly turned to me and said, before you leave, say goodbye to us borders and that is and i almost cried for sale in the mirror before you leave, say goodbye to us is also the title of his planned photo book dedicated to the people whose living situation hes been documenting since 2015. Here, companied, some of them to germany and sweden and his photos also depict their arrival. Unsettling year. After war ghanim a 100 people see more of the it was encouraging to see that a lot of the people who had made it to that point are now standing on their own. 2 feet and europes a free. And that they were able to start a new life for the abuse you have execution. You can only as henri in athens and return, i will keep documenting the migrants from the morea camp in their efforts to survive. He wants them to have a chance to hear watching data. Really news has a reminder of the top stories were following for you here. German chancellor Angela Merkel has warned that the number of covert 19 cases and deaths is still too high. In an address to the parliament, she outlined new measures to curb the spread of the virus, including an extension of a partial lockdown, probably into next year. And the people of argentina and heartbroken fans across the world have been the winning football legend. Diego marin donna, he died at the age of 60 on to suffering a heart attack at his home in oneness aires. And on a lead argentina to victory in the 1986 world cup at stake, youre up to date staging now for conflicts on our hard hitting interview series today. Sara kelly is joined by a polish emmy. Hey for the law and justice causing a lot more news headlines. At the top of the hour, in the meantime as always, our web site a w dot com can follow some social ive seen. I mean, you are a veteran says thanks very much. Want to ensure the conflicts are circling the news in crisis mode after poland and hungary vetoed the glocks, much needed new budget and coronavirus recovery fox. My guest this week here at the Berlin Foreign Policy Forum is polish member of the e. U. Parliament. Richard lugar of the law and justice party, can the polish government afford to be obsolete . And its core values. So lets look at some polling place, give us your country. People who will make you rich. Playboy will look, provide you with jobs. Well take good care of messaging is a big loser to cold on the west coast of coming up in 2000. So just to put years later, reality looks very different place drinking place. That is, if people really begin to tell me if youre gonna stream coal oil, thomas, it starts december 4th. No, no, we are filthy valuable. You wouldnt want to clear polands name. I dont care about the Public Perception may you is in crisis mode after poland and hungary vetoed the blocks, much needed new budget and coronavirus recovery funds over a new rule to make access conditional on upholding core e. U. Values. My guest this week here at the berlin Foreign Policy 4 on that is polish member of the e. U. Parliament. Richard the gluco from the law and justice party. And the polish government afford to be at odds with the e. U. And its core values. Race are the good go welcome to conflict zone. Good morning, very good morning to you mike. Those are d. The e. U. Is said to be more than just a single market, but a union of values including rule of law, freedom of democracy, a respect for human rights. Poland signed up to those values when it voted to join the bloc, back in 2004. But now youre willing to veto the budget over an accountability, mechanism. So you sign up to the values when you join the e. U. , but you dont want to be accountable for breaching them though thats not exactly like you. So first of all, is a legitimate instrument in the european law. Lito has been used or has a p d u. S. But it comes before there is nothing extraordinary in the fact that this or that government is not very happy with the solution that is. But i think that your e. U. Partners would, would beg to differ on that mr. The good go. And i just like to highlight some of what they have been saying actually about your actions. E. U. Leaders say that the mechanism that they have put forward, for example, is about providing reliability and trust in the budget. For example, the Prime Minister of the netherlands, mark rotella, says that the e. U. Will not water down the rule of law conditions. The e. U. Is a community of values. An overwhelming majority. 25 of 27 e. U. Member states dont have a problem with that. Why is poland the exception . Well, let me, let me say, if there is somebody whos acting against the rule of law, it is the polish government. It is the European Commission. It was the european parliament. All the majority of the European Council and the german president s, including the proposed rule of law mechanism, is lunchrooms violation of the cheat its its a shame this violation. Hold the cheaters. Article 2, which specifies the values of the European Union should be respected by utopian union. But do you oppose it . But do you not on a legal basis or do you oppose it on a principles basis . Because because ultimately, lets have a look. For example, at the, at the, at the concerns that have been raised by the commission that they have been trying to take action on, on for years. For example, theyve raised concerns about various aspects of your justice reform, which began when your party came to power. They have raised concerns for digital independence. They have launched multiple infringement proceedings in 2017. Even launched article 7 proceedings against poland for clear risk of a serious breach of rule of law by poland. The independence of the court is, of course, a cornerstone of rule of law. Youre facing some really serious accusations, concerns that your party is taking over the body that selects judges appointing close allies to the constitutional tribunal attempting to purge the Supreme Court and regional courts. You dont want to face accountability over those accusations, you wouldnt want to clear polands name. Thats not true. What youre saying. Thats not a description of what has me actually going program. So its not a just description all due to formal judicial system. Let me say that the cheat is specified only one way of accountability that is occupied. Thats all there is to it article. So although the term clearing was the conflicts and the making, not elected bodies like doodle paean commission. Homely by political to prosecute jocz. And to lead it exists, you should all heard the independent state. This is simply, oh, absolutely, just you keep focusing on the mechanisms, but lets talk about the substance of what is happening and call it just i want to finish the argument in 2014. When for the 1st time, there was this idea of the rule of law mechanism. Legal services of European Council rejected it saying, but there is no legal basis whatsoever. Its in conflict with article firey, the principle of the conferral article vi of the treaty of the European Union. That is, the European Commission and all european institutions have only those competences know the words to become that were confirmed of quantum explicitly to monitoring the judiciary system. Its not the competence of the european. So you dont want anyone to Pay Attention. He said, writers, you dont want, it seems you dont want anyone to Pay Attention to what is going on in poland, but id just like to highlight this one example for you and get your response to it. Because in your government established a Disciplinary Chamber which has the power to punish judges of our court rulings, the judges have been appointed by your partys leadership. You have in a landmark ruling just this past spring by the European Court of justice. They criticize this body heavily. They have said that this is not an independent court, ordered its suspension. Furthermore, your country has passed what has become known as a muzzled law, which can be used to reprimand judges who call into question how fellow judges were appointed. In other words, your judicial reforms. Explain to me how disciplining or throwing out judges critical of your reforms, creates an independent judiciary in the country. I said, would you say this is the best basis of why we do not want this mechanism to go into a fair. Its not only that, its a violation of the rule of law, but its nice on lives or mis information or disinformation or disciplinarian change, or this is not. This is judges for do routine. That is not what is, that is not what an independent polish Judges Association has said. That is not what Freedom House has said. They said dozens of judges are facing possible penalties on often frivolous grounds. The Judges Association says, disciplinary actions supply after prosecutors and judges criticized questioned or appeared to negatively comment on the controversial justice reforms that even cited somebody who was, who was reprimanded for wearing a t. Shirt, which simply said an inscription constitution. How is that democratic . This is, this is all charges. Why you wont see me. All those negative opinions. I conclude. So you positive looking yours does show me the text or those piece of legislation. Only the number of the article how to grow up when it says explicitly that the judges will be punished or may be punished for their rulings. Its longer their, the discipline of the chamber is occupied with decreases of charge stealing something the from the supermarket, or the judge that was called junk driving. So thats misinformation of the world. You misinformation number 2 is the European Court of justice. Im setting aside the problem where the European Court of justice is entitle to deal with something that is not its competence, but thats a different matter. Did you not suspend the discipline of the chamber . It wasnt suspended or put into the measures to be precise. Was just one small thing related to the the question that was being asked. Disciplinary action during these judges, you say that yes it is that its an opinion ive not community id like to highlight. Its also the Public Perception in your country that the independent a couple. I said, sorry, i dont think its an area that you dont care about the public. Youre not a democrat, i dont care. I dont care about a Public Perception because the public, they say that that was and still have it is reforms when its based on i dont your problem a mistake. The question, once again, their confidence in the judicial system has it was a priest by 11 Percentage Points since you came into power since you did it implemented is reform. So its traumatic. Are you going to do for him to stay . Youre probably doing it with the data from, i have a different date the, the, the confidence in the judicial system. I wouldnt have been all times to know. Thats why we decided to make so so 1st of all that you say this, this is our problem. This is the terminal problem of problem. Ive not interfering with the judiciary system in germany. There is a lot of what i dont lie in judicial the system in germany, but thats not my problem. Were talking about poland and the message that i seem to be getting from you is that you believe that your courts are absolutely and completely independent. So then let me put it to you and ask you, why would the head of law and justice say the following . He said, quote, the reforms to the Constitutional Court were needed to ensure there were no legal blocks on Government Policies aimed at creating a fairer, a condom. He basically admitted your party does not want the courts to get in the way of what it wants. In other words, eliminate the judiciary is check law and justice power. Well, i would not comment on this. I want you to tell me if there is anything in the system actually existing that subverts independence of charges, they cannot be dismissed. They cannot be accountable for the really they are not the responsible for the security dependence. I can see and the reasons i know that the whole problem with the constitution started with the previous government. You dont know the government or the words and point of to find vacancies in the design. So they have the majority of the judges who money belong to the policy. So of the next i was not the most you have the feeling is that you have lets concentrate on the situation right now. And i actually said, id like to move on to one other very Important Pillar of democracy, and that is a free press providing an essential check on power. In fact, days after the election in july, in your country, a new media strategy of quote republic is a sion limiting Foreign Investors and polish media and concentration limiting the number of Media Outlets that any one group can own was announced. Reporters without borders says the real goal is to influence the editorial policies of the media. Why should anyone believe that this isnt just an attempt by your party to tighten this grip the media into the most diverse inside europe . So this is the true reality. Television media, in from, in the, in germany, in belgium, in most of the media or of one scene in poland. That is why picture thats point number one of the 2 is that some in some 80 percent of the media is foreign companies. We dont come to see europe, which if that is true, look at what happens when your government gets involved in the media. For example, the public media in 2015, your party of pass legislation that allows the government to appoint or dismiss the executives in charge of public t. V. And the radio broadcaster aware c. E. Has said now it fails to insure editorial independence. It said that the public broadcaster, for example, in the most recent election, failed in its legal duty to provide balanced and impartial coverage. Rather, it served as a Campaign Tool for the incumbents. Critics say the public media has become a mouthpiece of your governments. Is that what the country now has to look forward to under review, poland is ation of the private media. There is as much truth in it as it was about your comment on the judicial system was all based on disinformation. Its based on its based on data from the o. S. C, e. It is based on data from reporters without borders, not to the public media from the very beginning that is from 98. 00 to 89. 00, the public radio was rather supportive of the government as whatever the governments were there was whether they were picked, the communist or liberals, all over so there is nothing strange about it. So the public media in most European Countries gives out public media also support supportive of the coverage which does not mean they are not objective or they are not important. If you look at the media are now in poland, about 72 percent of the meat in thai government, and 30 percent or so. And by that you mean independent, for example, even there. But that is regarded as too much in the object of a vicious attack. Do you want poland to become like runs, for example, when there is only one opinion and all again mr. The good go where were talking about me voluntarily . No, no, were talking about judo. I would like to move on to and i miss you. Lets talk about a domestic issue, womens reproductive rights. Your country has seen its biggest protests in recent years. Hundreds of thousands of people on the streets after the constitutional tribunal said, it would outlaw abortions in cases of severe fetal abnormalities. Its come under fire, not only because of its substance, but also because of the way that it was reached. Your party pushed this measure through or tried to push this mother measure through the Parliament Years ago. But it was very unpopular. So now its going through the courts. Youve come under fire for a lack of a democratic conversation on the issue. Did you think that you could just let this slip through . But this is the in charge of the National Matter of moral issues. Are not the question of european legislation thats lets not go out and get lets, lets agree on that. You may dislike to, but its not your business. 1st of all, i do not know what womens rights are. You can vote, find the womens rights in the universal declaration of human rights. There is nothing about, well, womens rights are our human rights laws are going to show. Are there not of huge weve been strikes are not indeed convention of human rights womens rights are not in the charter of fundamental rights. Can you show a signal that there is something about womens rights in these 3 basic documents . Lets bring it back to whats, whats happening there . Because theyre just not, it is nothing there. Now its nothing to do inside i saw. So i do not know exactly what it is. I went through fog of bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit is not a question of the european or international law, but im talking about in this democratic process in your country on this issue, approval for your government is dropping dramatically. As we mentioned, protesters on the streets just government has not published the ruling, which would bring him back in a worse. And thats a collie, according to polling data from cantor, in the past couple of weeks, the government appears to be stalling when it comes to implementing the decision. I mean, it was, if you disagree, now youre back tracking this, if you will. Now if you, if you are desist sims, to accept information and you really cannot talk with you because america is nonsense. My point was that even if you dislike this law, its not your problem is not your problem. And its not there. Your problem is its a whole problem. The verdict was announced by the constitutional code. You know, i thought the ruling of the constitution to you and should be to respect it, but apparently not, some ruling can be accepted to. None who thinks must not be yourself. So lets be consistent, mr. The, have congress of the constitutional tribunal to be respected, not how about dont really know or you want to see the argument that the disputes, the reasoning behind the legal argument there too just refutes the reasoning behind this ruling. Let me tell you, theyre the previous president s of the cons. Who should be more . Well, roughly agreed with this ruling because there really couldnt be disproved mr. Google, i want to get into this should look good. Again, were going to, were talking about the democratic process in europe, and i want to get to one more this year for we have to go, do you do your of your coverage should go on us, but we cannot change it. This is in accordance with the polish law, the polish constitution, or any other mr. Goodbar be temporary. Mr. Google, how about the rights of people also in your country . A president today has called the l. G. B, t, movement, an ideology, more dangerous than communism. After the election, he signed a family charter of proposals including pledges to prevent a gay couples from marrying or adopting children, and to ban teaching about l g b t issues and score the human rights of l. D. B t. People in poland. Do they not matter . Well, its the same story over and over again. The conversation is absolutely nonsense because you go out with your foot already going to be all those hot. So the rules of cliches and i would have, well, how about how about the words of, of politicians that are in your law and justice party. For example, youre now Education Minister said on the campaign trail, stop listening to this idiocy about human rights or equality. These people and by these people, the name l d b t, people are not equal to normal people who said it thats sorry. He did it. You dont know. You know, its, its, its art of the culprits. It was first of all, can you give me a single example of a homosexual person who has been persecuted or discriminated against because he is homosexual, or shes a homosexual . Well, you have about a single example, mr. Goodnow, you have about 100 towns in a region across, across polling nearly a 3rd of the country that have passed resolutions declaring them free of l. D. P t. Ideology. There clashing with the e. U. Because you have the or so the funded line saying l d b t. Free zones are soo man of the free zone. They have no place in our union. Is it your governments duty to stop and ensure the safety of all of its citizens, including minorities, isnt . Isnt that what fundamental values are for . This is becoming more and more hopeless. We didnt agree to rating several times. There are no between reserves in poland. European Parliament House passed dozens of resolution against be duty free zones in poland to ohsu law from them lying in g d, t 3 zones in poland. Read my lips, there are no g, b, t free zones in poland. How can i, what is it so difficult for you guys to accept a simple fact . What is the problem . The problem is, the only thing that happened was that one of the aged beauty activists took pictures, which he sort of made up right and distributed all around mr. The good go international media. You could see this is an age of beauty for zuma, so the good up, he explained it was an artistic performance. Mr. The example you are accusing me and my government because of this, our briefly before we go, id like to ask you, weve addressed protests on the streets. Weve talked about how poland is at odds with the e. U. Over values and, and just briefly tell us, are you concerned that your government is putting poland on the path to isolation . Im concerned about their European Union, which is suffering from a serious disease. Probably a deadly disease which is called children of, of the majority. And the e. U. Has becoming more and more close and took to radical in cold utterance. And systemic of the value leeching the value and its own, the cheaters. And sort of trying to impose some kind of new despotism of though we have to leave it there. Richard, the good girl. Thank you for joining us on conflicts on thank you. To him. As the end. W. s crime fighters are back africas most successful radio drama series. Continues this season. The stories focus on hate speech, cholera, prevention and sustainable charcoal production. All of his sos are available online. And of course, you can share and discuss on africas Facebook Page and other social media platforms, crime fighters, tune in now. Ok. Whats the secret behind this classic music to sound . As soon as you hear beethoven lose your mind. Or the story behind the music. 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