200000 americans whove lost their lives in the pandemic so on to the point we asked trumps mysterious recovery will cove it decide the u. S. Election. Thanks so much for joining us here on the show where my guests are yulia fischer who argues the trump prefers the simplistic to the scientific but that Means Nothing to the virus also with us is rachel tells in front from the German Marshall Fund who says trumps strange corona show as she puts it hurts more than it helps but it is still a very tight race and a warm welcome to william blue cross u. S. Native and t. W. News reporter he believes that trumps critics would be wise to temper their shopping for oil. Nothing has taken the president down yet. Interesting statements like youll 3 for being here lovely rachel tells him for i dont 1st question of 1st impression you talk about trump strange corona show what is your response your post in response to the presentation that weve seen. Yeah i mean its its insane sort of movie type of type of. In the middle of a real pandemic and as you said in the beginning 200000 people have died and then he creates this crazy. Thats like like an advertisement like the theater of the absurd it is very much like the theater of the absurd with the background of a very very serious illness and a country that has not managed to to handle it correctly ok we agree that its a theater of the absurd kind of a performance what is he trying to achieve donald trump with it i mean that hes a superman that hes a guy that is able to dominate this virus of this virus is not a very big deal just like hes always been saying all along and it should be very importantly noted that this virus might not be such a big deal if everyone in america is able to get the kind of health care and the kind of access to medicines that hes been able to get but this can get the corner virus is costing the average americans depending on their Health Insurance plan up to 70000. 00 in most severe cases this is something the President Trump doesnt have to deal with orders anyone governor because they get Government Health care through the hole to show that hes putting on at the moment is this is it driven by gut instinct or is it a strategy behind it i mean id maybe those 2 things are the same thing hes got and strategy i mean he is a showman we know this from his years at the apprentice the apprentice and Miss Universe and you know he thrives in this kind of showmanship like atmosphere where testing the limits now. How much she can bend reality the white house the Trump White House has been very much a boy who cries wolf kind of situation and even if they are telling the truth now even if trump really is better we just dont know theres absolutely no reason for us to believe what hes telling us and thats extremely damaging for both his supporters and his opponents to know whats really going on you know do we know do we know you really are i mean youre a doctor and. When you know with your doctor what are you seeing bill of health would you give donald trump at the moment even as a doctor its hard to tell if youre not there because i mean he did get the medications that actually reserved for severe cases and if he wasnt severely sick then why did he get them maybe because he said just give me everything that you have and i want it all and that is quite realistic. Its difficult to say also we dont see him all the time he might be resting in bed and later coming out pretending to be the superhero we dont we dont fit in no what do you guess is he going to be able to fight the company into the end weeks ahead its going to be tough its going to be tough but it totally depends on how he recovers now if you really is fine and if he does get a negative test because that is something that i as a doctor find very difficult to see how right now being ineffective he runs around without a mask and i mean he does need to get a negative test before he can go back into debates and things i think that should really happen before he gets back to business as usual maybe he gets it done. I think we dont know yet i mean well know in the next week probably if he is in fact more seriously ill than hes letting on hes going to hit a wall and for example the debate theres no way he can 1st of all get a negative test 2nd of all stand up there for 90 minutes if hes not actually fit if he can if the debate happens and if you actually shows up then then i think we. Ok you really did recover quickly but again he recovered maybe also quickly because he had every medicine even experimental mothers medicines that others can get and he was lucky ok well certainly appeared to be pumped up when he returns to the white house lets listen to a little bit of what he had to say. Dont let it dominate dont let it take over yards dont let that happen were the greatest country in the world were go back were going back to work going to be out front as your leader i had to do that i knew the danger to it but i had to do it i stood out front i led. Terms in front of the president the president said dont let koby dominate dont let you take over your life are americans likely to be inspired by that message you will comforting toward definitely not comforted some very few might be inspired by that message but lets look at michigan for a 2nd this was a state and im from michigan and this is a state that donald trump crucially won in the next election after it having gone to democrats previous 3 elections. And michigan was the 3rd worst hit state in the beginning of the Current Crisis so when i talk to people who live in the suburbs of detroit they they need to have to count the people they know who are very seriously ill some of whom died so this show is not working with them its not going to work of course we have to remember that even if polls are showing both nationwide and crucial swing states that a majority 2 thirds whatever the number might be might be finding this completely unrealistic and not buying were trying to saying we dont doesnt necessarily need that many votes as we saw in just 16 he doesnt need the popular vote to be able to win and thats the big question is yes the tide is against donald trump yes the numbers are in favor of joe biden are they enough democrats been saying since the convention actually since coming by her 1st speech as the Vice President ial pick that democrats need voters to come out in droves its not enough just to have a win they need a landslide victory not only because of how the math works with the Electoral College but just to make a definitive statement to trump and all the supporters know the reality is on our side its not going to be enough for there just to be a technical win that biden and the democrats. A real hard when youre maybe akin to what we saw on rate with reagan in his reelection in the eightys and. One of his is the same is that i made it into the show as i indicated that perhaps there is a sense of among Many Americans they feel that theres a contempt for their lives and struggles from the president is not going to hes not going to help to create a mood that will push the democrats. To this so i do you say they need a mess certainly democrats are hoping for they immediately made this not about donald trump they made this about health care they made this about Health Care Access they made this about the seriousness of the virus and that if donald trump the most looked after man in the world and got coronavirus and anyone can that is still very serious really trying to use donald trump to their advantage to make their very point the question is the United States is very much an aspirational country thats americas mojo is its aspirational aspects that anything is possible regardless of the fact you can go bankrupt a 1000 times as weve seen donald trump do it doesnt matter the man is still president the man became hes put his mind to it and became president theres nothing more american than that idea and the question is are voters going to look at the reality and look at these 210000 deaths and all of the other messes that the United States is in social unrest cities on fire forest fire massive hurricanes the economic crisis are they going to look at all those things or they listen to doll shop and listen to this and his kind of reverse optimism the best is yet to come stick with us anything as possible and try to dream big which of those americans are voters going to see or enough voters as i just said enough voters are going to see to tip the election one way or the other you know. I think well what trump has always been doing i want to still trying to do. Really emotionalize is everything he says and he really makes the 2 groups of the people. The ones that are with him and his components and he he really gets at this Group Dynamic going and he emotional as what he has and is all about we can do with us together and those are the bad guys we have to fight together and i think that is something thats emotionally working with the people and bunch of its that he plays with the emotions the people have with their fear. And with an attempt to find somebody they can blame in order to know how to act in that situation and i think that is working for him and politics are human and humans are emotional so this once well and almost appears to be a self destructive mode President Trump sparked some of the controversy by blocking talks with the democrats on the coronavirus stimulus package the. Misery for Many Americans the kind of misery that his whole approach to the pandemic has brought with it. So far response to the krona pandemic has left more than 7000000 people infected and over 200000 dead in the u. S. At the start of the epidemic this is what he said. Looks like by april you know with theory when it gets a little warbird miraculously goes away. Instead of listening to experts he suggests bizarre forms of treatment supposing we hit somebody with a tremendous whether its ultraviolet or just very powerful supposing it. Can which you can do either through the skin or. In some other way with disinfectant. Or he refused to wear a mask during his Campaign Appearances and at the televised to. In september he mocked his challenger joe biden for doing so was i dont know i dont wear masks like him every time you see hes got a mask you could be speaking 200 feet away from him he shows up with the biggest mask of ever seen. Biden the coward versus the superman. Will this strategy work. As a student trumps the superman by the cow is he going to work the strategy. I think he was maybe on track to have a little bit of success with that and then he got infected him self its really the game changer in the narrative far i mean he has to do now because he is he isnt invulnerable he is. That we have discovered that we now know it apparently for a fact yeah and joe biden is not a coward joe biden is maybe smart because hes not the one whos infected you know not to be crude but the attack is so clear if you cant if the president cannot even protect himself how is he supposed to protect the people. You know how do you make it might be instructive for her to compare donald trump with his contempt again im going to use that word for for doctors for experts for specialists and somebody like im going to medical who is herself a scientist you know this you you you described some systematic science against superstition yeah yeah i mean what hes doing is. Its so difficult difficult to watch how his scientific advisers tell him one thing and he does another he politicizes the measures against the corona virus and every song way and gets the people not to wear the mask to make sure they are the real trump followers thats really dangerous and reckless and. I dont see how people who also have a scientific belief cannot see that its difficult to watch well joe biden for his part has made it clear that he wants corona to dominate the election heres what he had to say on that front. Heres what ill do is president number one call on every single american to worry mask when theyre around other people outside their households where when youre on Public Transportation if i can Say Something here this is not about freedom its about patriotism. Is joe biden going to succeed and maintaining the coronas story is the central narrative that this election i mean weve had so many huge earth shattering issues and this Election Year starting with trumps impeachment then the pandemic the economic fallout the social injustice all the natural disasters trump taxes of have come out finally come to light or at least part of them the debate debacle any one of these things would up and in election and change the result were dealing with all of these things at once it seems difficult to imagine how coronavirus wont be the big topic through the election but who knows what these next 2 or 3 weeks are going to bring you know time goes on i think when you when you yourself have pointed out hes still a boxing metaphor he still on his feet is still fighting how does he manage it. Because hes donald trump and he has you know if he was once interviewed he was once interviewed by a photographer for p. B. S. And he was asked you know how do you manage you know this this storm around you in dollar terms that i am the storm he really relishes in this chaos he likes creating chaos and controlling the chaos and you know his you might think his policies and his is being president is despicable but from that point of view hes very effective let me just stick with the 1st 2nd because i know that you have said that hes not just the president who is ill but the presidency that is that is sick thats right you know donald trump wants to make everything about himself always and for liberals or his opponents people around the world people here in europe who are laughing right now are saying i told you so are we even maybe even rejoicing in the fact of donald trump coronavirus after denying it for so long or playing it down for so long that playing into his hands about making it all about trump what a president. The presidency is sick the presidency is limited in what it can do the president is just the individual filling that role its of course a much broader office of advisors and executive branch and we see now that high level military officials are inquire into and it takes its toll on a country and if you do care about what we call the liberal world order of the post war or if we care about you know a strong stable United States working with europe then you need a stronger you want a strong stable president and a presidency so weve seen this in the past you know with Woodrow Wilson with f. D. R. You know major major events happened theyre sick they havent really informed their their advisors or theyre the people who might take over for them and weve just gotten lucky in these instances that there have been strong competent people around a week or 6 president to take over for things we might not always have that you know luck in history has been americas side for a long time we dont know how long thats going to last and pursuing this thought still. We begin with perhaps the president himself is a little sick perhaps the presidency is a little sneak the procedures german newspaper wrote a couple of days ago america is sick. Yeah i mean of course literally 1st of all america is sick the numbers are bad and getting worse and the fact that it hasnt been able to deal more effectively you know like germany for example this is not a sign of a healthy country the fact that you know someone like donald trump 1st of all is president and 2nd of all that we cannot believe that we would be wrong to uncritically believe the information coming out of the white house this is a sign of sick this we should be able to believe the information coming out of the white house but sadly we cannot come america be a resurgent society a resurgent country politically medically in terms of the whole to be its people coming to struggle they self i think its theres a lot of work to do its going to be a tough time and things theres a lot of things that have to happen concerning the democrats now but also concerning the house system. Having also. Also for workers. Getting and house and things like that so that its really and economically that has a lot of to be done so its a long way theres a lot of work to do we see weve seen the Vice President ial debate taking place in utah mike pence on the one hand lets listen to what he had to say 1st and then well see what the challenger have to say from the very 1st day President Donald Trump has put the health of america 1st before there were more than 5 cases in the United States all people who had returned from china President Donald Trump do what no other american president had ever done that was he suspended all travel from china the 2nd largest economy in the world. What do you make you know about defense of President Trump and his strategy its a nice try but. There were so many other things that went wrong and the people who who actually brought the virus within to the country did not come from china but from europe and. Or they did also come from europe and he didnt stop that on time and he never he keeps downplaying how dangerous the virus is you did that in the start which is why he didnt he didnt lock down the country early enough when he chose to lock down he didnt use the time to prepare the country for the reopening he real reopened too early and this is thats why hes still running after the pandemic and he keeps politicizing the measures against the coronavirus and thats just terribly dangerous ok well mark penns was up against a mother whos coming for new senate so lets listen to soon she does the American People have witnessed what is the greatest failure of any president ial administration in the history of our country and here are the facts 210000 dead people in our country in just the last several months over 7000000 people who have contracted this disease one in 5 businesses closed were looking at front line workers who have been treated like sacrificial workers. Like. 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