out that someone is having difficulty obtaining a permanent security clearance and certainly, once the fbi flags them, if it was someone like rob porter who was working so closely with the president and handling such sensitive information, it would be incumbent upon the chief of staff and white house counsel to find out what is up and what these allegations are, so if they didn't do that, certainly they would have seen the pictures and found out about the protective order and much more. so this idea they didn't know, and once they found out last week, they acted quickly. again it doesn't make a lot of sense. it was either negligence or again, willful blindness. >> kimberly atkins thank you for joining the conversation. >> my pleasure. coming up can john kelly survive his handling of the rob porter story. and rachel brand is