don't know. it's -- this is just red meat, really, to his base. >> i mean, if he said that to you about, you know, he knew joe biden was -- was -- was a legitimate president, was elected. i mean, it makes the lies he is telling all the worse. i mean, if he was a true believer, who was, you know, diluted or just factually wrong. or just believed these things. that would be one thing. the idea that he knows, a number of them, or at least in this case what he told you, is not true. i mean, that just makes -- it takes it to a whole, other level. >> it's -- it's terrible. and, you know, when you -- look at -- look at vaccines. look at, you know, he is a united states senator. they have the -- they have access to more information than you and i do. and to see the efficacy of these things. to see -- you know, that's the golden ticket to get out of this thing. and yet, he goes on national television and talks about how he is not going to get the vaccine and how people are dying. that's -- that's -- that's disqualifying. right? he is a senator that -- that is