they are on a delay because of possible victims. what you're looking at there are people coming down what looks like a very flimsy rope ladder outside of this trader joe's. when the camera has widened out, we have seen cars essentially that have come to a standstill. there is a heavy police presence that will only grow in the coming -- well, grow very soon. we also have james galiano on the phone, a former special agent at the fbi. james, again, we don't know all that much right now. but we've seen these situations playing out time and time again. from what we do know, what is your assumption about what is happening? >> sure, alex. that's the most difficult part. the earlier reports in these kind of crisis incidents, it's difficult to distill what's actually going on. as you pointed out, we're looking at some pictures we've gone on tape delay.
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