here. they don't know whether they should leave, come back. now you have -- the state department memo, this is what we've been talking about this dissent channel. what started with dozens is now more than 100 career diplomats and civil servants who are saying, in this memo, not only does this policy not keep america safe, it actually harms america from preventing terrorist attacks. it's really a -- these career diplomats serve both republican and democratic administrations for decades, this is a very rare opposition to this policy, but certainly one that's provided for in the state department regulations for something like this, where they have a lot of concerns. >> and you know, sara, you warned me about that, you said i should never ask anyone what to expect because it is the trump administration. with that said, evan perez, the