I think its probably not likely, but i think Congress Also is not likely to get work done by december 8th either. So i think what youll see is bipartisan socalled continuing resolution, which continues to Fund Everything at the current levels. But what we really need is a larger deal that will fund the government for all of next year. And frankly the framework of one that could last a couple of years so that honestly there could be a pretty orderly process of appropriating coming to agreements. That has to be by bipartisan. There is no way one can impose their will on the others. And you leave it to both parties. They actually Work Together quite well. Can you explain how much the tax reform debate is overhanging this budget debate . How much one influences the other . Really not. Moving on different tracks. Maybe one of the things that may complicates things, the tax bill is bipartisan exercise. Republicans have a program. Trying to do it largely without democratic votes. So thats that. But the spending process has to be bipartisan. You do have to reach 60 votes in the United States senate. And, frankly, the reality is that since 2012, democratic votes have been required in the house as well. I mean, youll lose some republican votes simply because they dont want to spend anything beyond defense of veterans or anything like that. So the two sides have gotten good at working to the. But weve very seldom had to do it when we had a fight as big as a tax fight going on. Democrats and even some republicans now saying they want to see some legislation in the spending deal that will protect dreamers. Do you think this is a place that can resolve that immigration fight . I think not. I think part of the problem is you really conflating policy issue with normal daytoday operations of government. We have until march to deal with the d. R. E. A. M. Er issue. I think will is a natural deal there which is National Status in exchange for border policy. Which is popular. Most americans feel strongly if you were brought here by your parent, that that status is fundamentally different and ought to be respected. Most americans believe in Border Security whether on the left or right. They want secure borders. So its something when you deal with on its own you can find Common Ground and get a good bipartisan majority. President trump said he would absolutely blame them if shut down hans. Would that be hard to deal . I think its more difficult but the reality is it takes 60 votes in the senate. Theyve heard it so much on so many different topics that they do know there has to be bipartisan buyin many of some sort. So really theyll be plenty of blame to go around. If we were to stumble into the shut down as there should be. Because we are further along in the process in some way. In the house we moved all 12 bills to fund the government across the floor. How unusual that . It had not happened in Republican House since 2006. I dont think its been done by either party since 2009. So quite an accomplishment. But we also know that at the end of the day those bills are going to have to change. Youll have to negotiate with the democrats because of the senate. So again at some point youll get in the process where you pick up democratic votes and quite frankly lose some republican votes. We are talking with tom coal, Senior Budget Committee member, here with us, for about the next half hour, if you want to call in, 702 hr republicans 7027001. Independents 8001. Clayton, go ahead for independents. Go ahead. Caller yes, congressman cole, i dont know if you remember me, but i serviced your office as repsych letter. Recycler. Yes, i do. My father passed away, ive been here with my mother. Its been a struggle for me. Im sorry. I want to call your office and pass on a message to you if you can get it from one of your Staff Members if you can ask them to get this message to you, i really would like to have you read something that i need for you to see, please. Okay. Id be delighted to do that. Okay. Thank you so much. And i hope you guys work this out, sir. Thank you very much. Appreciate that clayton. Not often you get to hear from people who work in the office. Yeah, because im quite often there late in the evening. Everything from the protection of capital police, but takes a lot of people to make the place work and frankly keep it clean and safe for visitors. You have thousands of them. So they do a great job for us. When it comes to making the place work and making the place work better, there is a house vote coming up on training when it comes to antiSexual Assault training for all offices to make it mandatory. Can you explain, a, why we need a vote on that . Why speaker ryan cant mandate that . And b how are you going to vote . Im going to vote yes. It is necessary. Its been great work by two members, Jackie Speier from california, office right around the corner, and Barbara Comstock from virginia, i used to bring her supervisor, and shes a tremendous member. And they have come together to talk about an issue that has dominated the news. And to update the procedures. So i applaud them both for their work. And its something i think will pass quite easily. Beverly, in new jersey, you are in on congressman tom cole. Yes, mr. Cole, i have a question. This is really upsetting me over the childrens fund. I have a grandson who is a disabled child. Everything that he gets, he has to have in order to live. If this fund does not go through, and my daughter loses the funds, my grandson will die. Why havent you all done something . Well, actually the house has done something. The house has passed the reauthorization the Childrens HealthInsurance Program. The senate has not. I think they will. We understand how important that legislation is to people like you and your circumstances and your grandson. So i dont think there is much likelihood that it wont be extended again. But, again, your case under lines the urgency of getting that done. There is a part of this to put peoples minds at rest. No reason for you in my view to have to go through what you are going through right now as you worry about your grandson. So all i can tell you is i suspect if we have a rear end spending deal, whether its a continuing resolution, continue as they are, move forward, what we need is a larger deal that allows us to take care of, i think the Childrens HealthInsurance Program will likely be attached to that both sides want to approve it. Support for both sides. You were quoted in the Washington Examiner saying if you dont get tax reform done you might have a bad midterm. Well we might have a bad one anyone. Look, ive been telling my friends since immediately after the election, expect a midterm. We lost ours. They have been rough on everybody. So thats just the mood of the country right now. And foolish not to recognize it. But you do have to have something to run on. Something that youve accomplished that you told you would get done. To me tax reform is the most important single one of those commitments and we need to fulfill. Pt house has its bill. Senate is working on its bill. Whether that comes together what provisions will be essential . What will need to be in there to get your vote . Obviously, different provisions for different people. I mean, for instance this doesnt effect my vote, but a lot of votes will edge on being able to keep the property tax deduction, at 10,000 level in there. That was a concession made to people on high property tax states in the house. I was pleased to see the senate pick it up. And looks like its going to be in the senate bill. But broadly i want to make sure there are tax cuts for just about every taxpayer. That we make American Business competitive again. Right now we pay the highest Corporate Tax in the world. And we remove the incentive we have in tax code right now for companies to move overseas. Weve had quite a few in search of lower tax rates. So we need to bring the rates down and be competitive with other countries. Democrats, doris, good morni morning. Good morning. Representative you and your republican buddies decided you wanted to write a tax cut bill that disproportionately gives everything to the rich and the corrupt corporations. In that bill you decided you wanted no democrats in the room, no democrats to help write this bill. This is a tax bill for the entire country. Who in gods name gave you and this party the right to shut out democrats from helping to write this bill . And now you want to say, oh, well, if the government shuts down, well, blame the democrats. Well, actually i havent said anything like that. I said i would expect on spending bill it would be bipartisan. Both sides have to Work Together and i who ep that happens. And hive been under that process under barack obama and president trump. We did this in april and with bipartisan on both sides of the aisle. Majority of democrats wrote for this. And they have tax legislation fundamental disagreements. In the operation of the government they can. So i think you try and do both of these realities. Again nobody cuts the democrats out. They certainly have votes. But, you know, in the case of taxes, if you use whats called reconciliation language, you can lower what you need to 51 votes. By the way, thats how the democrats passed obamacare without a lot of republican support. So there are occasionally issues that are extremely partisan, extremely important to both parties, and they each resort to those kind of tactics in those cases. There are other issues where you Work Together. And the appropriations process frankly where i spend most of my time is actually very much a give and take exercise with the two parties have to Work Together to get something done. So line for republicans, patricia, good morning. Good morning, you guys. Yeah, i dont think the senator congress should go home until they pass the tax bill. Get something done. And the other thing i want to talk about is what is up with this 15 million Hush Shush Fund to pay off Sexual Assault victims . What are you guys doing . How come we didnt know about that . How come you didnt know about that . How come you didnt tell us about that ridiculous thing . If any congressman is breaking the law, abusing people, they should have it paid out of their pocket and we need to know whats going on . And the other thing is you are right it takes a lot to keep that place working for you guys. You know, but you arent working for us. You guys go home at the drop of a hat. And you havent got enough done. And what about the idea of cutting spending . I mean, we have handed you the house, the senate, the presidency, and what do you do . Well, first of all, you covered a lot of ground so let me try and reach each one of your points. I couldnt agree with you more not going home until the tax bill is done. And i would argue not go home until ht spending bill is done. And i think we can do both those things. Second, in terms of your concern about the whats called the judgment fund, i think. Thats over ten year period, and its not all congressman. Its actually settles any kind of disputes. And its not frankly mostly or completely Sexual Harassment. Having said that, again i think you are right. I think the money needs to come out of peoples personal pocket, not out of the public. Frankly, its pricey in the corporation world. And if you really look at these cases, at least so far, there appear to be a whole lot more of them in the media world and entertainment than there are on capitol hill. But one case is one too many. And again i applaud my colleagues jackie sphere and Barbara Comstock who are bringing fort legislation that would do exactly what you suggest and i think will pass with a great deal of bipartisan support. So thats all to the good. Your final point in terms of cutting spending, quite frankly congress has cut spending. Where most spending is now, Social Security, medicare, medicaid make up almost all the spending. So if you want to do at spending you have to do those things. Its about 30 of what the whole government funds. Tan that money has actually come down. When the republican majority came into power, the deficit was 1. 4 trilli 1. 4 trillion annually. It was lowered to under 500 billion, thats way too much, they brought it down but creeping back up. And most of the increase is coming, again not in capitol hill in terms of government, but we have aging population and Social Security expenses continue to rise and they will continue to rise. So sit down and grapple with those problems and neither parties wanted to do that. I actually have a bill on Social Security with my friend john delaney, democrat from maryland. Running for president. And a guy i have a lot of respect for personally. Weve worked on legislation before. But actually do what Ronald Reagan and tip oneil did set up a commission on Social Security. We think thats a solvable problem. But we havent been able to get the administration to, three congresses in a row, count get the Obama Administration interested and trump interested. But youll have to sit down and talk about entitlement spending. And entitlement spending ill tell you has to be bipartisan. And thats what they did in 1983 when they extended life and Social Security on the verge of doing bang rumt. We can do that again. About ten minutes left with congressman tom cole of oklahoma. Youve come on the show several times and before talked about your native american heritage. I want to talk about the president s use of pocahontas in Elizabeth Warren to talk about that. First of all, i was at the ceremony. And it was a terrific ceremony. I want to give the president his due. The code talkers were magnificent. 94, 97. President handed the mic over to them, guy that was 90, Peter Mcdonald who gave one of the best addresses, i wish i could talk that good at my age, let alone 90. So it was update, good and meant to honor native americans and i think the president was very sincere in that. He literally turned to mr. Mcdonald at one point and said, you know, had prepared remarks and gave him to mr. Mcdonald, everything i was supposed to say you already said and said it better than i could. Now when the Elizabeth Warren came in, clearly not in the premard remarks, look, i disagree with the president very profoundly. Number one, pocahontas is very important historical figure. Her descendants are still around and pretty remarkable human being and a very short life, died and was buried in england, in her 20s. So frankly the formation of the relationship between europeans and native americans in the 16th century. And so i dont like her name being used in anything other than a very respectful way. And frankly im not ha big believer in name calling in politics. At the end of the day you have to work with people. So i usually find its easier to work with them if i dont call them a name before i sit down. Did you have a chance to sit down and talk about the history of pocahontas . I did not. And it difficult when you are in somebodys house, but because i am there and because i am native american we got a lot of requests immediately. And so of course we responded to the requests. And again its not an opinion i havent expressed before. Quoted as saying this my recommendation was dont use this language in this way to the president back in 2016 before he was president of the United States. So my view on this hasnt changed. And, look, i regret the use of the name. And think its in appropriate. I want to get you as many calls as i can. Rita waiting in illinois line for republicans. Rita, go ahead. Good morning. Yes, i have two points to make here. First of all, on the deficit, why arent the super rich paying back the money, the tax money that they use from our tax dollars to projects that are for their own self good . Makes them richer and the taxpayers poorer and theyve never paid any of this back and they are worth trillions of dollars in themselves. Why would they need it to begin with . Number two, the days of building Hillary Clinton and lets make a deal and lets hold the country hostage. Tell the democrats to get in here, and quit holding up the country, and to get things done for the country and not for themselves. Well, and im not sure exactly what you mean about not pay back. Frankly wealthy pay a lot more taxes and a lot higher taxes than folks that arent. And thats always been in the country since we had income tax over 100 years ago, 1913. If you are referring perhaps to the bank bail out in the Great Recession, every dime of that with interest was paid back. Its one of these cases where the government actually made about 40 or 50 billion out of the money it loaned. Because again we didnt give anybody anything. We gave them loans and we collected warrants and you got interest on the money. So i dont excuse what happened. It was devastating to the country. I think that was the right decision at the time. I supported it. Because i think you had to stabilize the economy. But we were paid back that money. Only place we lost any money was on the loans to the American Auto industry. And they got about 80 billion. About 60 or so billion of that came back. So it wasnt a complete loss. But the net of the entire program, what went to banks, what went to the auto industry, again was a money maker, strangely enough, for the taxpayer. Didnt cost them anything over a few years period. Charles, school craft michigan, for independence