Interference with us. Now, cnns kara scannell, cnn chief legal affairs correspondent, paula reid. Cnn Pol Director david chalian, cnn legal analyst Jennifer Rodgers Cnn senior political analyst. Ron brownstein a Full House yes cnn, folks. Thanks so much for all of you being with us, kara first to you, how to Judge Marshawn explain this decision to delay sentencing until november 26, Jennifer Shahade issued a four Page Decision here and he goes to great lengths to explain his reasoning behind it, saying that hes doing this in part to avoid any appearance that he is trying to influence the election to affect one party or the other and he also notes in this decision that the prosecutors did not oppose delaying the sentencing and he said some of their arguments and their papers actually led him to think that they agreed with delaying the sentencing. He says specifically he doing this to avoid any appearance, however, unwarranted that the proceeding has been affected by or seeks to affect the approaching president ial election. He also said he doesnt want to give an advantage or a disadvantage to either political party pretty so taking the politics out of the snow, we also saying that this was a verdict that a jury returned after Hearing Evidence in this case, over 11 weeks, that their verdict stands to be treated independently of politics, and that Donald Trump himself as the defendant stands to have a hearing, a Sentencing Hearing that is devoid of politics as well. So the judge pushing this now until after the election in the seas also saying that he is not going to rule on the question of president ial immunity. Trumps lawyers have asked to have this conviction thrown out. They said that the indictment itself should be thrown out because the case should never been brought. They argue because of the Supreme Courts ruling on president ial immunity, specifically this case saying that certain evidence should not have gone before the jury, including testimony from trumps former White House aide, hope hicks, as well as tweets that trump made while he was president. That decision was expected to come on september 16. The judge now saying he will not issue that decision until after the election as well. Trumps lawyers have said that if they lose that that theyre going to appeal it and they will likely also seek to continue to delay the sentencing so while it is currently set for after the election and the end of november, its possible we could see some more legal efforts to try to move it. They very aggressively have tried different avenues here to move this sentencing and successful today with the judge saying that he had agreed with Trumps Team sought read the Prosecution Memo as saying that they agreed with it and that he thought it would only be fair to avoid any appearance of having any politics influences sentencing, or having him influence the election. He was moving this sentencing until november 26. Boris brianna all right. Kara, stay with us and paula, what was your big takeaway from the decision and how was the Trump Camp Responding . Well, here does Juan Marshawn, for the first time really acknowledging this historic nature of this situation. Lets just state the obvious. No, judge. In the history of this country has ever been in a position of sentencing a former president while that individual is running for the White House. Its the first time hes really said yes, we are in a unique situation. On top of that, he also has to figure out how this unprecedented supreme Court Decision on president ial immunity that was issued back in july, how that applies to this case . No judge has ever been here. I mean, he even acknowledges, he says, quote this matter is one that stands alone now unique place in this nations history. And he kind of nod to the fact that its always been a unique case, but this is the first time that its historical nature seems to have impacted his Decision Making because ill be honest. I wasnt sure which way he was going to go. It seem based on the law, he should probably delay it. Trump has a right it is unlikely to succeed, but he does have a right to litigate these these issues. The Supreme Court has raised but historically one rashod is not budged on any arguments related to the election. The Trump Team is of course, excited. This is a big win for the legal team, but were in a political season at Staving A Little knows. And so theyre trying to put the political frame on it saying, quote, there should be no sentencing in the manhattan das election interference, Witch Hunt as mandated by the united states Supreme Court. This case, along with all the other harrisbiden hoaxes, should be dismissed. I will note that in this case, trump was convicted by jury of his peers. It had nothing to do with president biden or Kamala Harris, but theyre trying to frame him as a political martyr. Jennifer, to you, it strikes me that at here, Judge Marshawn specifically references the potential for reputational harm ahead of the election and he yesterday, judge tanya chutkan, effectively in her courtroom in the election subversion case, the federal one said that the election doesnt matter what do you make of that distinction between the two decisions . Well, its interesting, boris, because youre right, they did take different tacks now, there is a difference of course, were talking about a sentencing potentially saying that trump should go to prison in this case. Whereas Judge Chutkan instead is going to take briefing on the papers were not talking about a hearing at trial, a sentencing, so there are differently situated. The other thing is that marshawn may actually get more clarity by the time the election has happened as to what his real options are. I mean, we all know that if trump wins this election, he is not going to prison for this, at least not in the next four years. So that will give its a marshawn, some clarity. So theres that reason to do it too. But most of all i have to say and its kind of Monday Morning quarterbacking. But when you think of instances where the defendant wants something and the prosecutors dont object. 99 times out of 100, the judge is going to go with that because the parties are more or less on the same page and thats what he did here. So we probably they all should have seen this coming really as soon as Da Bragg and his team decided not to oppose until Leave It in the hands of the judge and ron, the Trump Team is welcoming this news. Obviously. And they even as they capitalize, even as he really capitalizes politically on whatever legal developments its come his way. Clearly they wanted to punt this one beyond the election. What do you think about the kind of effect that it could have had that they may have been worried about yeah, look, its funny because the judge said he didnt want to influence the election. But obviously not sentencing before the election is a way of influencing the election. I feel like were pretty much dug in on these questions already, though. Im not sure that the sentencing would have moved many more voters than those already think that trump is unsuited to be president again, in part because of all of his legal troubles, certainly Vice President harris has shut down that avenue in her rallies when people say lock them up and she says well let the Courts Deal with that. We will deal with november i am struck that in the way she talks about trumps legal troubles and legal situation they shouldnt she focuses more on the future than the past, less on that. What he has done has has disqualified him then on the argument that the supreme Court Decision on immunity essentially will unleashing in a second term to challenge civil liberties and violate norms and constitutional standards even more aggressively than he did as president hesitant. So on balance, certainly a win for him in the sense that you dont have the uncertainty of how the public might have reacted, but i do think that by and large the people who are rejecting trump because of his legal troubles have already done so david, we got reporting from cnns Kaitlan Collins soon after this decision came down that trump was with his legal team when it was announced he was pleased. But earlier in the day, during the press briefing, there was a bit of an uncomfortable moment with his lawyer standing behind him from saying, quote, im disappointed in my legal talent. Ill be honest with you. What did you make of them . Well that that is not new for Donald Trump to be complaining about his lawyers in their presence. That is something that if you sign up to be a Donald Trump lawyer, you can pretty much expect that that will happen i do very much agree with Rons Assessment of the political impact of this. I think its remarkably limited at this point which is just an astonishing thing to say when you think about all the history that Paula Walk us through, 34 times over convinced take. Did criminal whatever you think of the merits of the case thats the reality of what a jury of his peers did. And yet, weve seen almost no movement in his poll numbers the Sum Total of the political effect of Donald Trumps legal woes in this 2024 Election Thing as in cycle has been to help him secure that republican nomination more rapidly than perhaps even expected and dispense with his republican competition that is, the actual biggest political impact that weve seen of these Court Rulings over the last couple of years. What are you thinking, david, as you look to the future, which will bring one of two possibilities that Donald Trump wins or he loses, and that in these very big federal cases, you would expect his Attorney General just dispenses with them, but he obviously would still have, for instance, this sentencing that would probably be punted. But if if he loses, then he has a lot to contend with. And that is obviously the Position Candidate i mean, how do you see this playing out . Well, as he said, ive been it Plays Out totally differently depending on the outcome of the election. I think your prediction that he would have his Attorney General do away with the special counsel investigations. I think thats a Safe Bet and im not big on predictions, but you can take that to the bank. I do think it is a question for commonly but harris and how she perceives if she were to win, if she thinks there some role for her Justice Department in trying to bring the country together and beyond these Trump Trials or allow them to play out as she has said, that these will all just play out in the courts or if she sees some role as a potential winner of the election to actually try and move the country beyond this moment of these trials, there is no historical precedent for this, right. But ron, if we were to look at History Gerald Ford was incredibly unpopular when he essentially told the country are forget watergate and made everything it was looming against Richard Nixon Go Away. How do you think harris might approach that situation well, first can i just say i disagree a little bit with david and maybe he would not disagree with him about to say, i dont i think its a mistake to assume that all of trumps ethical and legal troubles have had no effect on him. You got 60 of the country saying they are not better off because of biden policies, you have doubledigit advantages for trumps in polling for over a year on who can handle the economy. And hes in a Neck And Neck race at best that is probably a step behind and theres no other way to explain that, except run sorry, part of agree with you. What i mean is that as you put him in the White House, what i meant was since hes been locked in this very tight race and all of these legal woes have played out. I have no doubt the legal votes are why hes in the position he is. And i completely agree with that. I just dont think weve seen much movement during the time that hes been for a year now, locked in a margin of Error Race to answer boris is question i dont see harris letting dropping this. If she if she wins, i think she will say in her answer in the rallies, i think kind of foreshadows where she would go. Well leave that to the courts. And well worry about beating him in november. Well worry, but i dont see her Making A Gerald Ford Type Move of which of course, in the hands of John Roberts and Brett Kavanaugh was completely unnecessary because they you know, ford was obviously operating on the assumption which i think was all of american history, that a president could be prosecuted after they left office. And thats why he pardon him. He wouldnt pardon him if he believed that the court would take the view that it did this last year. So i dont see her i myself would be surprised if she wins and goes down that road and i think shes basically signal that to us, by the way, shes phrased her response that will leave that to the courts its also really and to rons point, the Ford Comparison was preemptive right . He had not been charged. Donald trump has been convicted by a jury of his peers in at least one of these cases. These are the questions that were going to be asking here as this Plays Out. Absolutely. That we have been asking that we will continue to ask and look either way its going to be historic, write a situation thats what Weve Bet in with johns legal issues for years now. And again, i think if he is elected, its pretty clear whats going to happen. The state cases, even the state sentencing, i think will be on ice. The federal cases Go Away if hes not though hes facing some significant legal jeopardy, the maralago Documents Case will be revived the January 6 case. Well likely survive in some narrowed down form. And then theres also georgia that you have out there. It is a really ominous legal landscape for the former president , even though he dissed his lawyers, ill say most of them have done a damn good job of helping him put off these legal consequences, at least until after the election with a lot largest assist from the supreme Court Therell be happy to hear your compliments because they didnt get a whole lot today. 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