Had earlier and what is more accurate had earlier and what is more accurate is if you look, the amount of people accurate is if you look, the amount of people that are no longer covered by Collective Bargaining has shrunk and shrunk by Collective Bargaining has shrunk and shrunk on trunk and the value of wages and shrunk on trunk and the value of wages has and shrunk on trunk and the value of wages has shrunk and sunk in trunk and to wages has shrunk and sunk in trunk and to Go Wages has shrunk and sunk in trunk and to go back to what youre saying in of expressing a vision and communicating that to people, that is all well communicating that to people, that is all well and good but it has to be backed is all well and good but it has to be backed up by posies as to how peoples be backed up by posies as to how peoples lives will change and i think peoples lives will change and i think that is one of the problems at this conference. We arent getting it either this conference. We arent getting it either because we arent in possession. The unions arent put to bed because possession. The unions arent put to bed because there are still huge problems for our members. You do have to be problems for our members. You do have to be careful problems for our members. You do have to be careful about problems for our members. You do have to be careful about seeing problems for our members. You do have to be careful about seeing the unions because there are different unions. Right there rmt is not affiliated to labour anyway. Rachel reeves made affiliated to labour anyway. Rachel reeves made one affiliated to labour anyway. Rachel reeves made one Announcement L affiliated to labour anyway. Rachel| reeves made one announcement in affiliated to labour anyway. Rachel reeves made one announcement in her Speech Today unless i have missed, about a new industrial strategy. What would you like to see in that, Zarah Sultana . Zarah sultana . 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It is important Trade Unions try to hold the feet to the fire. It is important Trade Unions and i is important Trade Unions and ordinary is important Trade Unions and ordinary labour is important Trade Unions and ordinary Labour Members is important Trade Unions and | ordinary Labour Members and constituencies ordinary Labour Members and constituencies hold ordinary Labour Members and constituencies hold the ordinary Labour Members andl constituencies hold the labour ordinary Labour Members and constituencies hold the Labour Party to account constituencies hold the Labour Party to account l constituencies hold the Labour Party to account. ~ constituencies hold the Labour Party to account. . to account. I think youll get more detail on this to account. I think youll get more detail on this the to account. I think youll get more detail on this the Investment Detail on this the Investment Summit~ detail on this the Investment Summit. This is slightly ugly time, i summit. 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This is slightly ugly time, i noticed the same time as normal, because i noticed the same time as normal, because the i noticed the same time as normal, because the election was at the point because the election was at the point when no one expected it, we have point when no one expected it, we have this point when no one expected it, we have this moment and the budget and then the have this moment and the budget and then the Investment Summit so a lot of the then the Investment Summit so a lot of the detail in the industrial strategy of the detail in the industrial strategy and the Wealth Fund and the Growth Strategy and the Wealth Fund and the Growth Fund will come then so it was a deliberate withholding and away and although there has been quite an interesting and although there has been quite an interesting one in to and although there has been quite an interesting one i interesting one in to the Labour Party from interesting one in to the Labour Party from the interesting one in to the Labour Party from the white interesting one in to the Labour Party from the White House interesting one in to the labour i party from the White House about interesting one in to the Labour Party from the White House about our industrial strategy because of the heart of that is what youre talking to surgeons about is green power tilting your durable energy, modelled on Thejoe Biden Plan known as the Inflation Reduction Act and they have been saying we cannot, the democrats, get a hold of the economy in this election, we have this great idea but it takes so long, we are not seeing the benefits. We also have to move not seeing the benefits. We also have to move away not seeing the benefits. We also have to move away from not seeing the benefits. We also have to move away from Making J have to move away from making weapons, have to move away from making weapons, the have to move away from making weapons, the uk have to move away from making weapons, the uk is have to move away from making weapons, the uk is still have to move away from making weapons, the uk is still selling i weapons, the uk is still selling arms weapons, the uk is still selling arms to weapons, the uk is still selling Arms To Israel weapons, the uk is still selling Arms To Israel and weapons, the uk is still selling Arms To Israel and even weapons, the uk is still sellingj Arms To Israel and even though weapons, the uk is still selling Arms To Israel and even though only 3350 arms Arms To Israel and even though only 3350 Arms Licences Arms To Israel and even though only 3350 Arms Licences have Arms To Israel and even though only 3350 Arms Licences have been 3350 Arms Licences have been suspended 3350 Arms Licences have been suspended we 3350 Arms Licences have been suspended we are 3350 Arms Licences have been suspended we are still 3350 Arms Licences have been i suspended we are still licensing 3350 Arms Licences have been suspended we are still licensing F35 Fighter suspended we are still licensing F35 Fighteriets suspended we are still licensing F35 Fighteriets and suspended we are still licensing F35 Fighterjets and with suspended we are still licensing F35 Fighterjets and with the suspended we are still licensing F35 Fighterjets and with the regional. 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Labour party needs to look at its i obligations to international law and the icj obligations to international law and the Icj Ruling obligations to international law and the Iq Ruling the Icj Ruling. Before we go i ust want to play you the script from sharon graham, just to get a reaction to it. She is the leader of unite. Have a listen. it. She is the leader of unite. Have a listen. .. a listen. People arent going to wait for 10 a listen. People arent going to wait for 10 years. A listen. People arent going to wait for 10 years. If a listen. People arent going to wait for 10 years. If they a listen. People arent going to wait for 10 years. If they cant i a listen. People arent going to i wait for 10 years. If they cant get some movement in this parliament i think we might end up with people voting with their feet and that would be a problem because labour has got good intent, no doubt about that, i am has got good intent, no doubt about that, Iam Meeting has got good intent, no doubt about that, i am meeting the secretary of states and Keir Starmer over time and i have got good intent. The is these choices around the fiscal rules are totally and utterly wrong. It sounded like you were suggesting labour could potentially be out of office within five years. I labour could potentially be out of office within five years. Office within five years. I think i aet one office within five years. I think i get one Shot Office within five years. I think i get one shot. We office within five years. I think i get one shot. We have office within five years. I think i get one shot. We have a office within five years. I think i get one shot. We have a very i get one shot. We have a very different electorate than before, less tribal across the piece. Jason groves, is that the possibility, we saw it with Boris Johnson who at one point people were saying he would be in for 10 years. Youll not only possible but ministers are already talking about it. About Shallow Hope Ministers are already talking about it. About shallov it. About shallow how things are. The Booty Bass it. About shallow how things are. The Booty Bass and it. About shallow how things are. The Booty Bass and how it. About shallow how things are. The Booty Bass and how in it. About shallow how things are. The Booty Bass and how in the i it. About shallow how things are. I the Booty Bass and how in the north of bing and they have 80 or 90 seats where they were in second place and so theyre worried about immigration. They are worried about it and i think the problem they have at this conference they are not telling people what they are going to do, blaming the tories but the voters already decided the tories made a mess of it and they dont need to go much further on that and i need to start painting a picture and what they want to do. Is it ossible and what they want to do. Is it possible they and what they want to do. Is it possible they could and what they want to do. Is it possible they could be out in five years if they dont deliver . I think if they dont years if they dont deliver . I think if they dont turn years if they dont deliver . I think if they dont turn things years if they dont deliver . I think if they dont turn things around i years if they dont deliver . 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