His hopes of becoming a three time world heavyweight Boxing ChampiOn have been dashed after he was knocked out by Daniel Dubois in the fifth round at lOndOns wembley stadium. The deputy Prime Minister, Angela Rayner, says she doesnt believe she broke any rules when she stayed in the new York Flat of a labour dOnor. Ms rayner told the bbc dOnatiOns were part of politics and the government was open and transparent about the process. The Prime Minister and senior figures in the government have said they wOnt accept further dOnatiOns for clothes, after fierce criticism. The cOnservatives said there was no justificatiOn for Sir Keir Starmer for Sir Keir Starmer receiving gifts. Receiving gifts. Ms rayner was speaking Ms Rayner was speaking to laura kuenssberg. To laura kuenssberg. During the electiOn campaign, during the electiOn campaign, outfits . And then outside downing and then outside Downing Street, Keir Starmer said time street, Keir Starmer said time and again, we will return and again, we will return politics to the service of the politics to the service of the people. What part of returning people. What part of returning politics to the service of the politics to the service of the people involves accepting free people involves accepting free outfits . Well, first of all, mps have accepted dOnatiOns and gifts for years. All mps do it, and what we talked about is making sure that we are open and transparent about that, and that was why the Prime Minister made sure that he corrected the record when he was advised that he needed to do that. He actively pursued that id take that advice, and i think thats the right thing to do, and we want to make sure that the government are transparent, but gifts and dOnatiOns have been a factor in our political life for some time. We could have a debate about that. You for some time. We could have a debate about that within the have Transparency within the system. Have Transparency within the s stem.. system. The rules of the rules, but the perceptiOn system. The rules of the rules, but the perceptiOn is system. The rules of the rules, but the perceptiOn is a but the perceptiOn is a different thing. What part of returning politics of the people involved you are accepting a free stay in a new York Apartment On a holiday . First of all, i was On holiday in New York, i paid for my holiday, but as friends do, a friend allowed me to stay. I often allow friends to stay at mine. But where i failed, and went beyOnd the rules, was because the persOn had dOnated to my Deputy Leadership, who happens to be a friend but as a politician in their own right, i felt i should declare it, politician in their own right, ifelt i should declare it, and ifelt i should declare it, and i did declare it. You were expecting accommodatiOn from wealthy labour dOnor, whether they were a friend or not. What part of that do thing looks acceptable to people watching this morning . I to people watching this morning . To people watching this mornin . ~ ,.. morning . I think the important art is, morning . I think the important part is, Somebody Morning . I think the important part is, somebody allowed morning . I think the important part is, somebody allowed me| morning . I think the important L Part is, somebody allowed me to stay at their Apartment for a few days. I decided to declare that because that persOn is a politician, happens to be a friend, and i stayed there for a couple days. Ifelt friend, and i stayed there for a couple days. I felt it was important that people knew i had used the Apartment. I dOnt think thats unusual. People do stay out of the peoples Apartments. I think it was right and proper that the people could see that relatiOnship and see that i had used that Apartment, and i think thats the important thing for me, is, people need to know where those dOnatiOns are coming from. But One thing that has emerged in The Sunday Times this morning as you went to New York with someOne who was then another labour mp, sam tarry. The Rules State that this needs to be registered if part or all of the visit was paid for by SomeOne Else, and you didnt register that, so you werent transparent about that. Did you break the rules . Break the rules . Well, first of all, i break the rules . Well, first of all. I didnt break the rules . Well, first of all. I didnt go break the rules . Well, first of all, i didnt go to break the rules . Well, first of all, i didnt go to new break the rules . Well, first of all, i didnt go to New York i all, i didnt go to New York with another persOn. That persOn went up to newer, and i met up with them, they met up with a number of friends. It was a persOnal holiday, and i think i followed rules. In fact, i went above that, they wanted to do that to be transparent about the cOnnectiOn i had about the use of that Apartment. But cOnnectiOn i had about the use of that Apartment. Of that Apartment. But He Sta Ed of that Apartment. But he stayed in of that Apartment. But he stayed in that of that Apartment. But he l stayed in that department, of that Apartment. But he stayed in that department, sam tarry, used to be a labour mp, and you didnt declare it. Did you break the rules . I dOnt believe i broke any rules. I had the use of the Apartment and i disclose that i have the use of the Apartment. In fact, i think i was overly transparent, because i think it was important, despite it being a persOnal holiday, because that persOn as a friend had already dOnated to me in the past for my Deputy Leadership bid. 50 past for my Deputy Leadership bid.. past for my Deputy Leadership bid.. past for my Deputy Leadership bid.. Y Past for my Deputy Leadership bid. So you are not sorry for that, you bid. So you are not sorry for that. You are bid. So you are not sorry for that, you are not bid. So you are not sorry for that, you are not saying bid. So you are not sorry for that, you are not saying to i that, you are not saying to people this morning, maybe that was a misjudgment, maybe i should have declared absolutely everything . Because the rules, i willjust read to our viewers members should register in this category any visit whether accompanying the member or not. It says pretty clearly, if SomeOne Else is with you, you are meant to declare it, and you didnt. It says if you are On parliamentary business sorry it is in cOnnectiOn with your parliamentary duties. Thats how i understood it. It was a private holiday that i think people i think it was important people knew, because i had had a relatiOnship where i had had a relatiOnship where i had had a relatiOnship where i had a dOnatiOn from that individual, a substantial dOnatiOn to help me towards becoming Deputy Leader, because i had to run my campaign, i thought it was important that people knew i had used their Apartment for a couple of days. I paid for the holiday myself. The other persOn independently paid for there is and whatever they were doing, and i disclosed what i felt was the right thing to do. There is a big difference between taking mOney to run political campaigns, to pay for leaflets or researchers or the kind of Campaigning Work that politicians all have to do or stop thats not the same as accepting accommodatiOn for a holiday. Its not the same as taking 2230 worth of clothes directly from a clothing company. That company then getting publicity as a result. Now, you did that. Are you sorry that you did that . I have reflected On sorry that you did that . I have reflected On my sorry that you did that . I have reflected On my dOnatiOns. Sorry that you did that . I have reflected On my dOnatiOns. I l reflected On my dOnatiOns. I have been very transparent about the dOnatiOns i had. I stayed at someOne because i can Apartment, it wasnt that i had. ~. Apartment, it wasnt that i had. ~. ~. had. We have talked about that. I had. We have talked about that i did had. We have talked about that. L did that had. We have talked about that. L did that and had. We have talked about that. I did that and i that. I did that and i disclosed that. I did that and i disclosed it. That. I did that and i disclosed it. In that. I did that and i | disclosed it. In terms that. I did that and i disclosed it. In terms of the dOnatiOn i a clothing company, again, i put that out in the Public Domain and make sure that people understood that that people understood that thatis that people understood that that is where i got that clothing from, and i get that people are frustrated, and in particular, in the circumstances we are in, but dOnatiOns for gifts and hospitality and mOnetary dOnatiOns have been a feature of our politics for a lOng time. People can look it up and see what people have had dOnatiOns for, the Transparency is very important. You dOnatiOns for, the Transparency is very important. Is very important. You are basically is very important. You are basically saying is very important. You are basically saying to is very important. You are | basically saying to people, suck this up, we are going to carry On doing it because it has been like this forever . I am not saying that. I get that people are angry and upset. What you are not going to change the rules . I what you are not going to change the rules . What you are not going to change the rules . I think the Transparency change the rules . I think the Transparency is change the rules . I think the Transparency is there change the rules . I think the Transparency is there so change the rules . I think the I Transparency is there so people can see that. Now, i hear that people are frustrated with that, but we have a system at the moment that says if people get dOnatiOns, that has to be declared On the rules have to apply to everybody, and i think thatis apply to everybody, and i think that is correct, so the people can see where you have had dOnatiOns and where that potential influence is so people can see the Transparency. People can see the Transparency. People can see the transaren. people can see the transaren. . Transparency. But you may have been transparent Transparency. But you may have been transparent about Transparency. But you may have been transparent about it, been transparent about it, naturally, some of your dOnatiOns that turned out to be foreclosed were listed as being generic, so they went completely out there in the domain, but you say you get frustrated. I want to let you know how angry some of our viewers have been and have been over this last week. Wendy e mailed us saying, its extraordinary behaviour to accept Clothing DOnatiOns when the government feels justified to remove Winter Payments to pensiOners. Eileen said, its morally indefensible for politicians to be doing this. Clive, who was a Labour Party member, said ifind it deeply disappointing that labour seems no different to the tories when it comes to freebies. Are we expected to believe that the dOnors get nothing in return . Lord alli gave you individually more than 20,000. What is your promise to give him and return . I promise nothing and gave him nothing in return. The dOnors that have helped me in the past, what they have dOne is seen someOne who has come from a very working class background, and as you said before, i say it how it is, and i have always tried to fight for people, and since having the HOnour And Privilege of being the deputy Prime Minister and the Secretary Of State of housing, i have got a significant number of bills and the kings speech, because i want to improve peoples housing. I want to get On with thejob of supporting housing. I want to get On with the job of supporting people, and a feature of our politics at the moment is for me to stand as the Deputy Leader, and you will be seeing the Leadership COntest at the moment in the cOnservative party. They will be getting dOnatiOns to enable them to cOntinue that work. That is a feature of our politics. Thats why Transparency is really important. Why Transparency is really important why Transparency is really imortant. ~. why Transparency is really imortant. . ~.. important. But Lord Alli Got A Downin important. But Lord Alli got a Downing Street important. But Lord Alli got a Downing Street pass. Important. But Lord Alli got a Downing Street pass. They i important. But Lord Alli got a i Downing Street pass. They gave incredibly privileged access. I think a lot of people would imagine that is the kind of thing you would have been absolutely kicking off about if you were still in oppositiOn. Who signed off On Lord Alli getting a pass . Well, i dOnt know, and i didnt see him in that period, in Parliament Or Number ten, so that period, in Parliament Or Numberten, so i that period, in Parliament Or Number ten, so i dOnt know that. I have been getting On with the job and i certainly dOnt know who gave him a pass, and it was not because of any dOnatiOns given to me. I think many people here see a double standard, because many years, the Labour Party created this story around tory sleaze, crOnyism corruptiOn. You yourself said that we need to know what these dOnors were promised in exchange for their generosity. That was you saying that. ,. generosity. That was you saying that. h,. generosity. That was you saying that. ~ ,.. that. And we saw that Vip Fast Lanes On taxpayers that. And we saw that Vip Fast Lanes On Taxpayers Macro that. And we saw that Vip Fast Lanes On Taxpayers Macro mOney, billiOns of pounds wasted during the covid pandemic, these individual dOnatiOns, nobody has been giving milliOns of Pounds Worth of cOntracts. That is the distinctiOn for me. People were given jobs in executive roles, people were given cOntracts worth billiOns of pounds, when we didnt actually see the benefits of that. But the Transparency, you are absolutely right, and i absolutely believe the public want that in terms of where is mOney coming from. Want that in terms of where is mOney coming from. Lots of our viewers might mOney coming from. Lots of our viewers might welcome mOney coming from. Lots of our viewers might welcome the viewers might welcome the Transparency, but they actually look at this and think, why do politicians get free stuff at all, end of story . Another photograph has emerged this morning of Keir Starmer at the football in a corporate box with his chief of staff, Sue Gray. There has been a lot of finger pointing the last few days at her not having a proper grip of running Downing Street. There is a lot of chatter here at the cOnference that she may be part of the problem here. Will she still be in herjob by christmas . Will she still be in her ob by christmas . will she still be in her ob by christmas . Will she still be in her ob by christmas . , christmas . Well, i dOnt accept Sue Gray as christmas . Well, i dOnt accept Sue Gray as part christmas . Well, i dOnt accept Sue Gray as part of christmas . Well, i dOnt accept Sue Gray as part of the christmas . Well, i dOnt accept| Sue Gray as part of the problem at all, actually, and i dOnt accept the caricature of how number ten is working. We have had a lot of bills to get through. We had the Grenfell Phase a report out, which i worked with the Prime Minister and his chief of staff, they were incredibly supportive of how we take full with that important piece of work. There has been a lot of work where we have been working together to make sure that we get our first steps enacted so we can do at the british people want to see, and that is changed. So i dOnt accept the caricature. I am in number ten, accept the caricature. I am in numberten, i go in accept the caricature. I am in number ten, i go in at 8am every morning and i do not see that i do not see this caricature that somehow we are fighting over mansiOns or all at loggerheads with each other. Actually, we are all really focused On making sure we deliver, because thats what the people are going to ask in a few years time, is labour changing the country for the better . And we are determined to answer that questiOn that we are. ,. to answer that questiOn that we are. are. And will Sue Gray still be in herjob are. And will Sue Gray still be in herjob by are. And will Sue Gray still be in herjob by christmas . Are. And will Sue Gray still be in herjob by christmas . I in herjob by christmas . I think so, absolutely. She is doing herjob and has a huge amount of respect in the cabinet. It angers me as someOne who has been a Trade UniOn Rep in the persOn wants to bring workers rights that somehow it is located demOnise workers in their workplace through the press and the media. I think Sue Gray has dOne an exceptiOnaljob, and we are all working together to achieve for the british people. Lets talk about some of the things people want you to get On with now. You are respOnsible for housing. Its a huge problem for so many of our viewers, so many people in the country. You promised to build 1. 5 milliOn homes by The End of this parliament. How many of them will be social Housing Or Council housing . It them will be social Housing Or Council housing . Council housing . It very much deends Council Housing . It very much depends On Council Housing . It very much depends On how Council Housing . It very much depends On how they Council Housing . It very much depends On how they are Council Housing . It very much l depends On how they are built, so there are Golden Rules for, if you want to go in what i call the grey belt, which we have defined in the natiOnal Planning Policy Framework is, which is out for cOnsultatiOn at the moment, and they will be at the moment, and they will be a percentage of affordable housing, but it will depend On the site. But ive also said we want more from 106 notices, which is the Affordability Test and make sure that developers do what they are going to do and build those safe and affordable homes of people expect. Affordable homes of people exect. ,. expect. But theres a difference expect. But theres a difference between l expect. But theres a difference between affordable homes and council Social Housing. I know you care very passiOnately about this issue. There are more than A MilliOn people waiting for Social Housing. So do you have a target of how many of the new houses were wil