To go back to their homes. And that requires a secure environment. Joining me tonight are nadine batchelor hunt, Politics Reporter at politicshome and wills robinson, assistant Politics Editor at dailymail. Com. First the latest headlines. The leader of hezbollah has called the attacks on the groups pagers and Walkie Talkies in lebanon an unprecedented blow. But he claimed their effect had been limited, saying the leadership had survived and hezbollah s Communications Network was unscathed. Israel says its Military Chief has approved Battle Plans for its northern front, a move the defence minister, yoav gallant, says presents opportunities and risks. There are reports the idf wants to wrest control of Southern Lebanon from hezbollah and create a buffer zone. Five women say they were raped by the late owner of harrods, mohamed al fayed, when they for worked for him at the luxury department store. The bbc has now heard testimony from more than 20 female Ex Employees who say the billionaire sexually assaulted them. In a much anticipated move, the Bank Of England has left Interest Rates at 5 . Bank of England Governor Andrew Bailey says the rate should come down in coming months, if inflation stays low. Last month, the Base Rate was cut from 5. 25 to 5 , the first reduction since the pandemic. If you arejustjoining, welcome to the programme. Thereve been heavy exchanges of Fire Today across the israel lebanon border. Lebanese Security Sources describing the israeli bombing as the most intense since the start of the war in october. It comes after the coordinated explosions of Hand Held Devices belonging to hezbollah. This afternoon the leader of the lebanese group Hassan Nasrallah said israel had broken all conventions and laws and vowed that retribution will come. A preliminary investigation by the lebanese authorities is reported to have found that the devices were implanted with explosives before arriving in lebanon. Diplomatic efforts are under way to try to prevent a further escalation with talks in paris hosted by the us secretary of state, antony blinken. France and the united states are united in calling for restraint and urging de escalation when it comes to the Middle East in general, and when it comes to lebanon in particular, we continue to work to get a ceasefire for gaza over the finish line. And as we discussed with some of you just a day ago in egypt, we believe that remains both possible and necessary. But meanwhile, we dont want to see any Escalatory Actions by any party that make that even more difficult. Nasrallah said the attack, that targeted middle ranking figures in the group, had been unprecedented. A severe and cruel blow he said. But he did not address what kind of retaliation they may be considering. Translation Thousands Of Pagers were targeted. By the israeli enemy and detonated at the same. With this operation the enemy crossed all rules, laws and Red Lines. It didnt care about anything at all. Not morally, not humanely, not legally. That speech was on going. Two jets breaking the Speed Barrier for subsonic boom sending people running for colour would not cover. Saying there will be not cover. Saying there will be no let up until 60,000 israelis displaced on the northern border have been returned to their homes. Lots of this diplomacy today. Lots of this diplomacy today. In the last hour, the white House Press Secretary said a diplomatic solution to the Conflict Isnt entirely out of reach. Were concerned about the the tension and afraid and concerned about potential escalation. We have said that in the middle East Weve been very clear, and weve also said that the way to move forward is to diplomatic resolution. We think it is achievable. Obviously it is urgent. And so thats what were going to continue to do, having those diplomatic conversations. Diplomacy is key here. When we talk about potential escalation, which we do not want to see. Busy day. Lots to get through tonight. Lets talk first about the Hand Held Devices. A little more information this evening that they were manufactured outside the country. Thank you for coming onto the programme. Clearly theres been lots of speculation in the last few days for them and out stands to reason theres a very big difference between a Lithium Battery igniting and the detonation of high explosives. This was most certainly in the latter category. That requires the Advance Expertise in chemistry and explosives, which he would often find within a bomb maker. To make one is complex enough, to do this on the scale that were talking how do you think it is being done . I were talking how do you think it is being done . It is being done . I think oure it is being done . I think youre exactly it is being done . I think youre exactly right. It is being done . I think youre exactly right. Thanks for having me, first of all. What were seeing has never been as far as ido executed before. Were talking about not a targeted attack, which from israel before in 1996 when they targeted a specific Cell Phone or senior hamas bomb maker. And assassinated him that way. Weve never seen what some reporting suggesting entire multiple front companies being established to manipulate and compromise a shipment of Civilian Technology heading to lebanon on the presumption that those pagers or Walkie Talkies would be used his brother by fighters and commanders. Weve never seen as far as i know the broad weaponisation of civilian Technology Supply Change for that we seem targeted but never this broad. , that we seem targeted but never this broad this broad. Theres been some aberrations this broad. Theres been some aberrations in this broad. Theres been some aberrations in some this broad. Theres been some aberrations in some Quarters L aberrations in some quarters about the brilliance of what was pulled off here. I think its now dawning on people that perhaps Pandoras Box has been open to hear. Is the israelis can intercept a Supply Line then surely manufacturers around the world are now looking at their end to end distribution. Theyre looking at that middleman. There are security people looking at phones that go on aeroplanes, need to be checked in more detail. This is create a Security Headache for the rest of the world . Security headache for the rest of the world . Well, i certainly Ho E of the world . Well, i certainly hepe that of the world . Well, i certainly hope that even of the world . Well, i certainly hope that even though of the world . Well, i certainly hope that even though the hope that even though the success, even if you can define it as a success operationally, when you have 22,000 more people, people killed included kids and medics, im not sure you could call that success in the operational success. I think the Pandora Box we should be wary of opening because there is no world where if you have broad weaponisation of civilian Supply Chains for technology that governments are going to be able to screen at the level they need to or alternately produced domestically for that were not just talking about the most advanced technologies, were talking about Analogue Consumer Technology like Walkie Talkies. Something that is like a relic from the last several decades. I certainly hope that governments would not view this as something to copy or even to imitate for them even though in the Short Term it seems like his brother and suffered a setback from this attack. 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If the west allows that to happen then surely the Middle East, the arab countries and the Middle East would say all bets are off. , east would say all bets are off. ,. east would say all bets are off. ,. off. Thats a very good point. I talked about the i talked about the weaponisation of Supply Chains of Civilian Technology. Were not talking about compromising military equipment. In this case its a bit unique in that you are compromise Analogue Technology Understanding is likely to be in the heads of people affiliated with the paramilitary for the what we think about this more broadly you have the manipulation of civilian Technology Supply chains as an instrument of economic statecraft, as the us is recently done with advanced chips into china. We have concerns about Tech Supply chains from Data Security perspectives where we worried that information is gary hoover It Up and sent back to governments that we dont want to get to with 5g networks all over the world as far as i know weve never seen the literal weaponisation of Civilian Technology in this way where it is being used to kill and maim people. The challenge here is when youre not doing it in a targeted way you have no ability to control. You cant have eyes on the detonations and the hundreds of thousand locations at once. Thats why its inevitably going to end up in homes, markets and Caf S as weve seen across lebanon. Stat; weve seen across lebanon. Stay there because weve seen across lebanon. Stay there because i weve seen across lebanon. Stay there because i want weve seen across lebanon. Stay there because i want to weve seen across lebanon. Stay there because i want to get our Panels Response to what you just said. Nadine, what do you make of all that . 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