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Are still believed to be in gaza its thought that 33 are no longer alive. Hamas said more of them could be returned to their families in shrouds if a Ceasefire Isnt reached. Mr netanyahus comments came as Street Protests over his handling of negotiations entered a second night in israel. The demonstrators want a Ceasefire Agreement to secure the release of the remaining hostages. Heres Mr Netanyahus response. Translation they murdered six of our hostages in cold blood, so after this horrible murder, i dont believe that someone would come, someone serious would come and say, now make more concessions. You are not serious. Hamas is serious. I cannot believe this happened. I cannot believe anyone really thinks that, and i cannot believe President Biden actually said that. Lets speak to our diplomatic correspondent James Landale how much pressure is Mr Netanyhu under . If this doesnt push his government into a ceasefire deal, what will . Government into a ceasefire deal, what will . Well, youre riaht, deal, what will . Well, youre right. There deal, what will . Well, youre right, there is deal, what will . Well, youre right, there is pressure deal, what will . Well, youre right, there is pressure both| right, there is pressure both at home and abroad, protesters are still on The Streets of israel Last Night in many thousands, there was a general strike yesterday, as you say, in washington, President Biden saying he doesnt think Mr Netanyahu is doing enough to get a deal, but in the face of all the criticism, the israeli media this morning has a lot of criticism, Mr Netanyahu is four now doubling down. He is showing no sign of giving an inch. After a long Press Conference Last Night, making it very clear in his view that any deal to get a ceasefire to release the Hostages Cannot involve israeli forces leaving southern gaza. He wants to stay there in a Buffer Zone between there in a Buffer Zone between the egyptian and the Gaza Border to protect and defend that border against Hamas Rearming itself during any ceasefire. In other words, rearming itself during any ceasefire. In otherwords, he says that is more important than getting a ceasefire and releasing the hostages. Many people in israel disagree with that argument, many people on The Streets and within his own government, but at the moment he still seems to be standing firm, and the sense here yet is that that popular pressure is not quite yet big enough to affect any political change in his thinking. Affect any political change in his thinkina.. His thinking. Based on what you are saying his thinking. Based on what you are saying it his thinking. Based on what you are saying it sounds his thinking. Based on what you are saying it sounds like his thinking. Based on what you are saying it sounds like the are saying it sounds like the Uk Suspension of some Arms Sales to israel perhaps may not move Mr Netanyahu easier. Is it the case that there is perhaps more of a political than Military Impact . More of a political than Military Impact . More of a political than milita imact . ~. Military Impact . Well, no, the motivation Military Impact . Well, no, the motivation for Military Impact . Well, no, the motivation for the Military Impact . Well, no, the motivation for the Uk Motivation for the Uk Governments decision is not political, it is legal, it is the fact that the british government, by law, Cannot Sell Arms to a country if it thinks those arms are going to be used to breach international humanitarian law, and it has made a judgment on its own mind that in 30 Arms Licenses, in other words all the Arms The Uk is currently selling to israel for military operations in gaza, that there is a clear risk that International Law could be violated by the use of the weapons, therefore they will suspend the licences. So, in absolute practical terms, as you say, its not going to have a military effect, a Material Impact on his Roles Ability to defend itself, but it does send, however, a diplomatic and political signal that one of israels close allies thinks that what some of what it is doing in gaza, there is a clear risk it is breaching International Law, and the israeli government does not like that being said, and that is being reflected by pushback from israeli ministers this morning. That speak to the israel corresponding for the telegraph. Corresponding for the telegraph corresponding for the teleurah. ~ , telegraph. We were speaking about whether telegraph. We were speaking about whether the telegraph. We were speaking about whether the recovery i telegraph. We were speaking| about whether the recovery of the bodies of six hostages added extra pressure to Mr Netanyahu, since then we have had the protests are mounting pressure from allies. How much do you think it will have dramatic effects things . The Mass Protest dramatic effects things . The Mass Protest that dramatic effects things . The Mass Protest that we dramatic effects things . Tta Mass Protest that we have dramatic effects things . Tt2 Mass Protest that we have seen, more than half A Million people took to The Streets following the announcement of the killing of the hostages, and also a general strike, of the hostages, and also a generalstrike, but of the hostages, and also a general strike, but i think that The General Strike was declared illegal by israeland was required to stop the same day, i think netanyahu will see it as a victory, The General Strike will not be able to be used as a weapon against him, and i think this is the only thing that could really force or strong Arm Netanyahu into or strong Arm Neta Nyahu into changing or strong Arm Netanyahu into changing his stance on this corridor that he wants to keep control of. Its something that few governments could really survive. The only thing that could put real pressure on israel as if the United States stop selling arms to israel, but i dont see that happening. Washington told then that tilly make this about stopping arms to israel. Tt make this about stopping arms to israel.. make this about stopping arms to israel.. to israel. It is very easy from the outside to israel. It is very easy from the outside to to israel. It is very easy from the outside to see to israel. It is very easy from the outside to see this to israel. It is very easy from the outside to see this is the outside to see this is potentially a Turning Point in opposition to Mr Netanyahus government, but do you think the momentum of the process we have seen will build to do you think they are likely to peter out . T think they are likely to peter out . ~ , out . I think it will build, mainly because out . I think it will build, mainly because if out . I think it will build, mainly because if there l out . I think it will build, l mainly because if there is out . I think it will build, mainly because if there is no ceasefire, more hostages will either be killed or they wont ever come out, and the more hostages that you see being killed inside gaza, the more pressure you will see in netanyahus government. Neta nyahus government. Eventually you netanyahus government. Eventually you will see not just half A Million people taken to The Streets, potentially A Million, because the vast majority of israelis believe that israel should strike a deal with hamas to get the hostages out. Every poll indicates that, and there is fury, notjust in opposition and people on The Street, but insiders in government. The Defence Minister is absolutely livid and you cannot believe the government is not giving up on its demand to control this philadelphi corridor. He believes, the Defence Minister, that it believes, the Defence Minister, thatitis believes, the Defence Minister, that it is more important to get the hostages out. I believe eventually there could be so much pressure on netanyahu three Street Protests that he will have to call elections, but At The Gates going to happen tomorrow or next week. Good to get your thoughts. Lets get some more news on the uks decision to suspend some Arms Sales. The Foreign Secretary, david lammy, said there was a clear risk of that happening but he insisted the move didnt amount to an arms embargo. His israeli counterpart, israel katz, said the only beneficiaries would be hamas and iran. The defence secretary, john healey, defended the decision to stop around 10 of the uks Arms Exports to israel saying it was the outcome of a legal review of Arms Licenses we are a staunch ally of israel, we remain a staunch ally of israel. Weve made this a legal judgement as a result of the process were required to follow. But our determination to stand with israel, to be part of the collective defence if they come under direct attack again as they have done before remains resolute and absolute. Britains Chief Rabbi has criticised the Uk Governments decision to suspend some Arms Export licences to israel. Ephraim mirvis said On X lets speak to our political Correspondent Henry Zeffman whos in westminster. Ifi if i stop first of all with the decision by the Uk Government to suspend some arms licences, this has been criticised by a shadow Foreign Secretary Andrew Mitchell as having all the appearance of having to satisfy labour s backbenchers while not offending israel. How effective does the government expects to be . ,. h, be . Its clear the Government Ist in be . Its clear the government is trying to be . Its clear the government is trying to walk be . Its clear the government is trying to walk a be . Its clear the government is trying to walk a delicate is trying to walk a delicate tightrope here. Theyre trying on The One hand to demonstrate that they believe in upholding International Law and that they took this decision as a result of clear legal advice, and that they are willing to deliver a tough message to a close ally, but on the other hand there are also stressing that this is just about 10 of the Arms Export licences that the government grants to israel, which have been suspended. The overall uk Arms Exports to israel are minuscule anyway, and that the government continues to support israels right to self defence. Israels right to self defence. I think politically the risk of walking a tightrope, the risk for the government of doing just about enough to most signs of this argument is that they end up alienating the sides of the argument, and i think the political reaction to this within the Labour Party and the Labour Movement of the left more generally has moved from Yesterday Evening when it was announced, i think generally welcoming, to increasingly a position where or not that many people outside the government willing to wholeheartedly embrace what the government has done, either because they think they should have gone further or because they think they should never have done this at all. Tt should never have done this at all.. ~ should never have done this at all. All. If we look at the criticism all. If we look at the criticism from all. If we look at the I Criticism from britains all. If we look at the criticism from britains Chief Rabbi, wanting important to mention is the legal requirement the government is nodding to when they do this. Absolutely, and there is something the government is stressing very much. You mentioned that Andrew Mitchell, the shadow Foreign Secretary has criticised his decision from the government. They will presumably have got similar legal advice when they were in government less than two months ago, and they didnt do this, so there is clearly room for political Decision Making here as well as legal advice from the Civil Service or from government counsel, and i the Civil Service orfrom government counsel, and i think all of that means this is a very hot button political issue, although, as you mention, with Community Impact in the uk, and the statement from the Chief Rabbi, very unusual, very direct, a separate but slightly related issue that under keir starmer s leadership the Labour Party has tried to Mend Relations with british dues who felt the party had become a harbourfor Anti Semitism under the previous leadership, which the previous leadership, which the previous leadership, which the previous leadership is a this will delete that criticism will sting for keir starmer. You can find out more about this story on the website, as you can see. Around the world and across the uk this is bbc news. Youre watching bbc news. Pope francis has landed injakarta in indonesia, for the start of an historic and ambitious trip to asia. These are pictures of Pope Francis being greeted at the international airport in the capital. He was given a bouquet of local produce by two children. Indonesia is the worlds most populous muslim majority country, and the pope is due to visit a mosque and a neighbouring church during his three days there. The vatican says the focus of the trip is inter faith harmony. 87 year old Pope Francis has reduced his travel in recent years due to health problems, but this twelve Day Trip is his longest trip as pontiff. As well as visiting indonesia, he will also travel to papua new guinea, East Timor and singapore. He is set to travel nearly 33,000 kilometres during the trip, and he is scheduled to attend more than a0 events. 0ur Correspondentjonathan head has more on the Indonesia Stop of this tour. He is continuing a long Standing Policy of the vatican of upholding the best possible relations with a country which in many ways as a model of multi faith tolerance. I mean, indonesia does have the worlds largest muslim population, but it is not an islamic state, islam is not the official religion. There are significant minorities, including around 8 Million Roman Catholics, and the indonesian modern state has always accepted a place for all faiths, and so i think its always seen, given that its such a large muslim population, as a sort of showcase of how relations between different faiths can be managed, and in general, most indonesian governments have stuck to the secular origins of the modern country when it declared independence and made a place for all these religions, and the vatican has kept significant diplomatic representation there. Its been 35 years since the last visit of a pope, so this pope, Pope Francis, visits a very different country from The One that his predecessor but one, Popejohn Paul ii, visited back in 1989. At that stage, indonesia was still an authoritarian government, the issue of East Timor, which is a roman catholic country, that caused a lot of friction between the vatican and the then indonesian government. This time round, of course, Pope Francis will be celebrating the openness of indonesia, but that doesnt mean there arent problems between faiths in indonesia. Its always a sensitive issue, managing them, the issue of relations in different parts of indonesia between and muslim communities have been strained in recent years, where weve had the growth of, for example, islamic extremism in the region. Those are all factors that the pope will be very conscious of as he goes to these very symbolic, big meetings. The one at the Istiqlal Mosque tomorrow, the largest mosque in southeast asia, the main mosque injakarta, to highlight that sort of valuing these relationships between the different faiths, and then a big rally, a Big Mass to be held in one of the largest stadiums injakarta, to which Roman Catholics from all over indonesia, many of them are quite far flung islands, will travel to come and its probably for a once in a lifetime trip to see a pope. Lets speak to our reporter in rome, davide ghiglione. Given the Popes Age and health concerns, what does it suggest to us about the strategic importance Of Asia To The Catholic Church . Importance Of Asia To The Catholic Church . Yes, this re. Ion catholic church . Yes, this region is catholic church . Yes, this region is particularly region is particularly important for the catholic church, and although the popes Visit To Asia certainly underscores the concern of the catholic church for the region, which is both rich in mineral and Natural Resources and increasingly exposed to social and geopolitical struggles, we do know that the society and the economy in the countries in the economy in the countries in the region are changing very rapidly. Indonesia, for example, has emerged over the last years as a major producer of nickel, which is one of the key components for batteries for electric vehicles. That has made the country in the region more appealing for international investors, global powers such as china and western countries, and this is clearly a very important issue for francis, who is trying to position the catholic church is a moral voice in the region to make sure that this transition is a fair and sustainable, but a very important aspect for francis is also Climate Change, we know that the region, indonesia specifically, with its biodiversity, is very exposed to Climate Change, rising sea levels, rising temperature

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