If not now. never? Nicola Sturgeon on the battle for a second Scottish referendum The First Minister discusses “utilitarian” nationalism, what Catalonia got wrong and Scotland s future. Nicola Sturgeon is obsessed with her step count, she says, raising her wrist and tapping a red-banded Fitbit. During this strange, half-physical, half- digital Holyrood election campaign, which by necessity involved less dashing round the country than usual and more sitting in front of a Zoom screen, the device has kept her “on just the right side of fitness”. A previous effort to contract a jogging habit, which involved afternoon sessions around Arthur’s Seat in Edinburgh dressed in first-ministerial Lycra, was short-lived. “Who knows, I might get back to it,” she says, in a tone that makes clear that this is extremely unlikely.