Concerning the allegations, i stressed that no one in the new team governing ukraine had anything to do with anything that may have happened in 2016. They were making Television Shows at the time. I also said that it is not credible to me that former Vice President biden would have been influenced in any way by financial or personal motives in carrying out his duties as Vice President. A different issue is whether some individual ukrainians may have attempted to influence the 2016 election or thought they would buy influence. That is at least plausible given ukraines reputation for corruption. But the accusation that Vice President biden acted inappropriately did not seem at all credible to me. After that meeting, i connected mayor giuliani and mr. Yermak by text and later by phone. They met in person on august 2nd, 2019. In conversations with me following that meeting, which i
did not attend, mr. Giuliani said that he had stressed the importance of ukraine conducting investigations in
Elect the american president . The citizens of this country and no one else. Men and women have died on the battlefield to protect our democracy. The least we can do is show the courage to stand up tonight and do our part, to protect our democracy. With that, i yield back. The gentleman yields back. Does anyone else seek recognition on the amendment . Armstrong. Armstrong. For what purposes buzz mr. Armstrong seek recognition . Move to strike is the last word. And im going to go back to the initial language of the amendment, and particularly the removal from office and disqualification to hold any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States. So at numerous points in times during todays debate have they my Friends On The Other Side of the aisle held up a pocket constitution, waved it around. I think its interesting nobody has read from it yet, and i think there is a reason for that. But im going to read from the constitution. And if we want to talk about
article one, which
And the controlling law. Use of an obstruction theory from the Mueller Report would be unsupported, unsupportable in the house and unsustainable in the senate. Do you remember writing that . Yes, i do. Why did you write that . Because i think its true. The fact is that this was reviewed by main justice. The special counsel did not reach a conclusion on obstruction. He should have. I think his justification quite frankly was a bit absurd on not reaching a conclusion. But the attorney general, Deputy Attorney general, did and they came to the right conclusion. I dont think this is a real case for obstruction. But then this body would be impeaching the president on the basis of the inverse conclusion. I dont believe it would be appropriate. The gentlemans time has expired. Ms. Dean. Thank you, mr. Chairman. Words matter. In my earlier life, professors, i was a professor of writing. I taught my students to be
careful and clear about what they put to paper. That is a lesson that the framers
Mr. Eisenberg, he told me to take my concerns to him. And, theres a period of time in it wasnt that long a period of time, but it was enough time for me to enough time to talk to someone who you want i will assume it is, right . Ive been instructed not to, representative jordan. Hes what im getting. He told you not to talk to any of the people and you interpret that as not talking to your boss. But you talked to your brother, you talked to the lawyers, you talked to secretary kent, and the one guy adam schiff will let you tell us who he is. Is that right . Representative jordan, i did my job. Im not saying you didnt. All im saying is the instructions from the lawyer where that you shouldnt talk to
anybody, and you interpret that as dont talk to my boss, but im gonna go talk to someone that we cant even ask you if that individual is. That is incorrect. I just read what you said. I shouldnt talk to any of the people. The time of the gentleman has expired. Im sorry, mr. Chairman, that seq
leading them but he is reflecting in his leadership where they are and where they want to go and that resolve that we see in ukraine, it s coming from him but it s also coming from the people themselves as he referred to in his speech. let me bring in jim sciutto and ask a question. ambassador yovanovitch, you were a central figure in the first impeachment. you were a target of the former president because you didn t go along with a different approach. a specific approach, one might say. i wonder if you could describe the shift between then and now in terms of u.s. support and could ukraine be putting up the fight that it is today without that change, without that shift, without u.s. support? yeah, i think u.s. support is absolutely critical to the fight in ukraine right now and every ukrainian starting with president zelenskyy on throughout the population recognizes that. and is very grateful and, you