i d like to ask you about how russia is handling criticism of what is going on, at home. now the uk government has condemned the politically motivated conviction of vladimir kara murza in a moscow court. now we have spoken to his wife evgenia, and she has a question for you. i d like to play it to you. ambassador kelin, i have a question for you as a representative of the russian state. why does a government that claims to have the overwhelming support of the population need to use repression and prison terms of up to 15 years against anyone who opposes the official narrative? vladimir kara murza, he is in possession of two citizenship. one is russian and one is british. he has been treated by the russian court as the russian citizen and his british citizenship is not included. i think that personally
friend vladimir, his wife is talking about his 25 year sentence. it was him criticising putin for human rights abuse. 25 years going to jail for criticising the government, it shows that there is just so much sensitivity, that nobody can say a word inside russia. putin is so afraid of his own people. so when people say putin is popular, he is not popular any more. there is no way you can be popular when everyone has lost friends, relatives and the war. you can t be popular when you can t travel or use netflix or your credit card. so now it s just a question of hardcore repression and how long they are able to do that repression before people say enough is enough. we have seen this, like yvegeny prigozhin, he is saying enough is enough, he s a monster himself, but they are not getting their weapons. other people are saying enough is enough. there their weapons. other people are saying enough is enough. there is a sun aestion saying enough is enough. there is a suggestion there saying
thousands of soldiers. they have lost huge amounts of equipment. as he said, ukraine is a small country compared to russia and they are being completely decimated by this small country. it was very painful to watch that interview because everything he said was a lie. they are lying to themselves or lying to the west and it s going to be difficult and painfulfor them the west and it s going to be difficult and painful for them when ukraine finally launches their counteroffensive. ukraine finally launches their counteroffensive. what about that internal dissent? counteroffensive. what about that internal dissent? i counteroffensive. what about that internal dissent? i know counteroffensive. what about that internal dissent? i know you - counteroffensive. what about that internal dissent? i know you are i internal dissent? i know you are close to the case of bladder curran mercer. we played the question from his wife. what is going on with the internal repression of criticism? fih i
within one cover. so i had to rewrite the book completely. but he was absolutely correct, because this became with the new structure, a book about the multiplicity of perspective and the way that stories are told, and the way that every story has 100 different ways to tell it. and, yeah, because i wanted to talk about privilege in some ways, power and the way that some people who have privilege and power don t necessarily understand what they have. until you see it starkly portrayed, it s hard to understand that. let me read a short passes from the book, the wife is the drama of the marriage. the one whose work is essential to what is produced. even if your contributions are never directly recognized. there is glory in this role. my, wife matilda, for instance, gave up her job years ago to make mine run more smoothly. she loves to cook in clean and edit my work.
behalf. volodymyr kara-murza of was arrested the next day. when the judge handed down the sentence, he said 25 years is the highest appraisal that i could get for doing what i did and what i believed in. how does a citizen, a patriot and a politician. and quote. in a statement to the end of the court he said i know that the day will come when the darkness engulfing our country will the. say that they will come as inevitably springs comes to replace the frosty s winter. volodymyr s, wife i ve guinea, at and their three children currently live in the united states. she tweeted after the, verdict a quarter of a century is an a+ for your courage, your consistency and honesty, and your years-long work. when i m infinitely plowed of you, my love. and i m always fireside. evgenia kara-murza joins me now. if guinea, a how are you doing. i m having a rough time with. and how are you doing? well, ali, believe me it