that s very much involved as well, because the number of political prisoners in belarus is growing just as quickly as it does in russia. but if i may, if i may, evgenia, you raised a very interesting point about what is going on inside russia. you know, in the six weeks, two months after the invasion of ukraine, he said it would be, to use his word, cowardly, not to be side by side with those brave russians who were protesting the war. and at the time, it is true that there were thousands of russians in different towns and cities who were prepared to go to the streets and voice their opposition. but we, frankly, see very little of that today. and i m just wondering whether you, as an activist yourself, who fights for democracy in russia and whether vladimir too, whether actually you are deeply
at the end of those two decades, we re seeing what we re seeing. an extremely atomised, depoliticised society that believes that the only way to survive this is to keep quiet and somehow, yeah, somehow fight for survival. so, i have to. sadly, we re almost out of time, evgenia. i have to end because i m so mindful that this is very personal and very difficult for you. i have to end with just a personal thought. you ve described the difficulties that you and vladimir have confronted. vladimir is now in prison, faces the possibility of a very long prison sentence. where s the hope? the hope is, the hope is in the fact that everyone has finally realised or was forced to stop closing their eyes to who mr putin truly is. and now we understand that we re basically in the same world, because ukrainians are obviously not fighting forjust their land. they re fighting for democracy. they re fighting this
the vaclav havel human rights prize and declared as a traitor by the russian authorities. so, these are, you know, the parallels that are happening, notjust in vladimir s case, but they represent very clearly what is happening in russia and what the regime is doing with those who oppose it. right. when we talk about the russian population, there is around 25% of the population that have voiced their protests against the war in ukraine and against the regime s policies used against the russian population as well. because we need to understand that vladimir putin is leading two wars at the same time, against ukraine and against russia. and there is also belarus. that s very much involved as well, because the number of political prisoners in belarus is growing just as quickly as it does in russia. but if i may, if i may, evgenia,
up and do something. and that is my hope, that if we work together to bring down the regime, it will collapse, sooner or later. and evgenia kara murza, i thank you so much forjoining me on hardtalk. we have to end there. thank you. thank you very much. hello. wednesday morning we ll be getting off to an exceptionally mild start for the time of year. mild is a big feature of the weather through the rest of the week with some brisk winds and some spells of rain. a bit of rain around first thing on what will be a very mild morning, some rain clearing the southeast corner, some rain in the north of scotland, that tending to clear as well.