called rinat, ukraine s richest man with massive interests in heavy industry and gas and steel manufacturing business as well. and so it all taps into this campaign that president zelensky of ukraine has been undertaking in the past several months to try and get rid of or reduce the power of rich business men, oligarchs in the country. he s been closing down media organizations that have been run by them, he s been, you know, tapping into and crushing limiting their business interests as well. and, you know, there are two important points about that. first of all, there are concerns in ukraine that rich and powerful people are working in the interests of the country s for instance, russia, to undermine the ukrainian state. that s a legitimate concern they have. the criticism of president zelensky is that he s moved beyond that line, that he s in fact now sort of tackling or going up against people who he
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people in islip, new york, where they have killed too many people. it s insane. laura: i am fascinated longtime democrat pollster, you watched this tonight. the big dogs on the stage bernie who had to be told not to shout at least once. and warren who got into a war of words with a couple of the more moderate folks. we ll get into that. your take on how this all plays in the real world, which is america. a lot of this debate doesn t actually apply to america. it s like they are running for prime minister of sweden, this would make sense, some of these concepts would make sense but in america they re not going to give up their guns. they are not going to give up their cars. they re not going to give up their employer-provided insurance. it s never going to happen. i am back in the real world. let s remember these erinat