what makes a martyr a martyr, it s less about the individual, and more about how society perceives itself. after all, you cannot be a murder people cannot claim that your loss is there s, if they can t use your name to express their collective trauma, ordinary people become folk heroes because they bruised corpses laid bare the social inequalities inherent in abuses of power, and what be masala meanie of the world to just, it s all people of life, yearn for allegedly freedom of dignity. mahsa amini s death has become a battle cry, for a nation that s been rendered invisible to us, partly because of skewed western perceptions of iran and its people. for years, we listened to western pollsters, who inaccurately portrayed iran as a highly religious country. this is known as the sampling problem. metrics which require the contact information of respondents living in iran. you could see why that is a problem, right? kind of like pulling in russia right now, asking people who live in oppress
they had a yearn to get back to broadcast. and times radio very cleverly identified them as this magical duo who needed to be back broadcasting daily. and that s really where it started. we had had other offers, but those other offers were podcast based, and this wasn t about taking a podcast from the bbc that had been hugely successful and transporting it somewhere else this was about them going back to what they had always done, which was live broadcasting, and they hadn t been doing a great deal of that over the last few years. and so that was really what drove this. some people listening might be surprised to hear that and think, well, didn t the bbc want to offer them more live broadcasting? well. good question you should put that to the bbc, maybe! they had been working on other programming, but there wasn t enough of it, to be honest. the podcast was extremely successful. jane had another series called life changing,
and the calculations that are involved. we re joined by sue ayton, who s fi and jane s agent also co founder of knight ayton management, which represents a whole raft of the biggest names in broadcasting. and we re joined by megan carver founder and managing director of carver pr, which does publicity for some of the biggest names in broadcasting. megan and sue, thanks for being with us on the media show. sue, i ve got to start with you. tell us how it happened. well, we did this because it was a return to live broadcasting, which is their roots, their first love, and they were really being under used at the bbc, even though they had this huge podcast, which, as we know, has downloaded millions over the last few years. they had a yearn to get back to broadcast. and times radio very cleverly identified them as this magical duo who needed to be back broadcasting daily.
really cool to have them over. bat not me, personally. i think he spoke for more than i think he spoke for him, his crew, and his favorite drug dealer. that s who he spoke for. is it possible to strike a deal with the cartels? i mean, even they gotta sheathe as a terrible business. yearn don t want to kill your customers off right? you don t. because they re hard to replace. well, they are, that what doesn t make any sense abut this at all. it is coming from china. yeah, yeah. omfray -ina-che. that was pig latin. i haven t heard pig latin in so long. i wonder how latin people feel about that. definitely a terrorist organization, though. but, big but, the barr is very low for me.
really cool to have them over. bat not me, personally. i think he spoke for more than i think he spoke for him, his crew, and his favorite drug dealer. that s who he spoke for. is it possible to strike a deal with the cartels? i mean, even they gotta sheathe as a terrible business. yearn don t want to kill your customers off right? you don t. because they re hard to replace. well, they are, that what doesn t make any sense abut this at all. it is coming from china. yeah, yeah. omfray -ina-che. that was pig latin. i haven t heard pig latin in so long. i wonder how latin people feel about that. definitely a terrorist organization, though. but, big but, the barr is very