i m clearing my throat, i m getting ready for that. but you know what i m thinking, i m thinking here speaks a man who americans of a different political persuasion will already be dismissing as a typical new york liberal elite intellectual. and jewish on top of it all. yeah. so, yeah. so, i m just wondering whether, actually, you don t see any room for communication with your political opponents? you re a leftist, that s clear, but you re not really leaving much room for communication. i want to talk to people on the other side. they don t want to talk to me. it s. i m perfectly happy to talk to anybody. but with respect, you dismiss the trump movement as jihadist. you talk about their use of the confederate flag as though it s a swastika. your clear implication is that what trump represents is something akin to american nazism. i wouldn t go so far as to say nazism, no, no, but i would say it s
is that they seem to have cracked the code. and i m wondering how concerned you are about this when you have a situation where the last time around there were secretaries of state like brad rafrens burger who stood in the way. there were election officials in michigan who wouldn t go along with what the trump team wanted to do. it didn t work in pennsylvania. you know, it went to the courts and he was slapped down, and so on. but they have they have broken this code in a way that sort of outlines a blueprint for what they could do next time around and the time after that and the time after that. how do you stop that from continuing to happen? so, that s the problem, which is that they continue to attack democracy. they continue to move along the perimeter looking for the weak points in the fence. and we have to be right every time. we have to prevent subversion of elections every time. and that s a hard and tall
reporter: erik, on the other hand, seemed broken. he very rarely made eye contact. he was biting his fingernails. so i was thinking in my head, boy, i sure hope i get to work with the older brother and not the younger brother. because this is gonna be a piece of cake with the older brother. how wrong he was. after a few sessions with lyle, dr. vicary hit a wall. and moved on to erik, who, month after month, seemed to stick to a kind of script about his wonderful father, his loving family. and the minute something would leak out about maybe things weren t so wonderful in the family, he would start crying. and he would kind of dissolve. and whimper. and he just wouldn t go any further. reporter: vicary put erik on anti-depressants and slowly a trust began to form.
that s illegal. you don t have to succeed to actually bring to be guilty of conconspiracy. but there s two elements of the conspiracy here. one is the lawyers coming up with a cockamamy, fake, unlawful scheme to snatch the election under the guise of the law from joe biden. and if that didn t work, then we ve got plan b, which is to bring the protesters to washington, and i think the question with kimberly guilfoyle is given that she raised money for the trump campaign and other areas, where did the money go? who brought the money together to pay for plan b, which of course when mike pence wouldn t go along with plan one, plan b came into effect, and america in this moment is lucky that it didn t succeed, and i really appreciate coverage of the fact that we might lose democracy the next round, don. that s why this is so important. yeah, yeah.
cost to the party when trump is in front of it going forth. i think that there is a great big group of voters right there. when republicans were out last time. republicans were voting for joe biden at the top of the ticket. they are turned off by donald trump s actions. i wouldn t go so far as to give it to the pence point, there is not any evidence that he s losing any grip on the party. there was a unanimous effort at the rnc today to not censure but the congressman who spoke out against it. in my view, i think that mike pence is defending his own legacy, defending himself. he is dealing with his own conscience. the issue with his god. he spoke out. i think that it s good that he did. there is no reason to look at it as evidence that the party is weakening.