Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics or business im showbusiness ill see of. The low and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle we are witnessing the rise of a new secular religion and its called the focus them at the moment in that short history its goal is to end racism why well everything is now considered racist the believers in this called demand obedience insult criticism but were really never told how racism is to be eradicated or how it helps serve the interests of working people of all colors. To discuss this and more im joined by my guest john de bar in bristol she is the deputy leader of the Workers Party of britain as well as author wrote the drive to war against russia and china her forthcoming book is identity politics and class and in budapest we have George Samuel he is author of bombs for peace natos humanitarian war and he was right across our girls in effect that means yo
People of all colors. To discuss this and more im joined by my guest john you are in bristol she is the deputy leader of the Workers Party of britain as well as author wrote the drive to war against russia and china her forthcoming book is identity politics and class and in budapest we have George Samuel he is author of bombs for peace natos humanitarian war on yugoslavia right across our girls in the fact that music can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok lets go to bristol jody what do you look you make of this new secular religion because that its kind of quasi christian you know a little bit of composers a little bit a bit eventually mentalists style. And you know it has on with this ritual walls it has its humes it has its clergy. It has its script sure. And its making everybody miserable and it has nothing to do with fighting racism go ahead well i think its the last point that i am really interested in its do we want to fight racism and of course the answer to
And its making everybody miserable and it has nothing to do with fighting racism go ahead. Well i think its the last point that i am really interested in its do we want to fight racism and of course the answer to most of us is yes but to fight racism you have to understand where does racism come from whats the cause of racism these symbols of an exploiting society do of course represent the fact that it is an exploitative society what that reminds us is this society is not our society its run it is made up of run by and for a tiny exploiting class and of course they heroes are the ones who are celebrated in the culture that they call ours which is really this and of course for the mass of the workers and exploited around the world these people are not heroes ok but its a reminder of a material reality that we live in a world of exploiters and exploited and that is what is the cause of racism racism comes from the need to divide workers against one another it comes from the need of the
Same saying we have this white mans burden to take care of everybody else and it is its not really about white and black is it you dont have to be white to be racist you dont have to be black to be a victim of racism the europeans were being conducted programs against the jews before they ever saw a black person the british were conducting programs against the irish thats all they ever had a friend african caribbean and indians you know to be racist against therefore they had ill you citizens to be racist against which has been our most recent target and of course you know the arabs in between because were waging war over the middle east so for me this is somewhat of a diversion im happy to see the back of the statues but if it just is a question of looking at statues and taking them away whilst doing nothing about the roots this is limit is it why does it change exert georget exactly half of diversion is needed a bill thats now. Oh i see it all ok that i offered to address social ineq
A tiny exploiting class and of course they heroes are the ones who are celebrated in the culture that they call ours which is really ness and of course for the mass of the workers and exploited around the world these people are not heroes ok but its a reminder of a material reality that we live in a world of exploiters and exploited and that is what is the cause of racism racism comes from the need to divide workers against one another it comes from the need of the imperialists in particular to justify their walls and their colonial conquest on the basis that these people cant take care of business theyre not grown up and not i mean you know the the the way that it was and colonial exploits have been justified have subtly developed over the years but essentially come back to the same saying we have this white mans burden to take care of everybody else and it is. Its not really about white and black is it you dont have to be white to be racist you dont have to be black to be a victim of