an indictment an impeachment or anything like that. but there is clearly evidence that justifies an investigation and this tremendous scoop by the washington post just makes clear that mueller is doing his job, and we ll see how it goes. and gloria, the irony of this is that the president was told three times by robert mueller that he was not a subject of any investigation by the fbi, i mean, comey. and now he is. this is all kind of self-sabotage, if you think about it. because if he hadn t fired comey, comey would not have believed perhaps that the president was obstructing. and as he testified, once he got fired, it s clear, he didn t say obstruction, but it s clear that that was what was going on in his mind, and then he decided when the president mentioned there might be tapes, he decided to leak a memo through a friend
investigation, if mueller wants to call them before the grand jury, even if donald trump decides to invoke executive privilege about their conversations, the court also almost certainly reject that, because in 1974, in the supreme court case of the united states v nixon, the united states said that in criminal investigations, trump by and large executive privilege, so coats and the nsa director are going to tell their story one way or another, i don t know what that story is going to be, but that story will be told and mueller will consider it in deciding how to proceed. gloria, what the president has said all along, i m not under investigation, some satellites are, some people in my campaign, but i am not under investigation. i guess he can no longer say that. and in the white house statement tonight from a person involved with his outside counsel. basically went after saying these are egregious leaks from
there s certainly a lot to talk about. jeff toobin, the washington post reporting is accurate and i think it s based on five sources, how big a deal is it for the president of the united states to be a subject of investigation by the department of justice? anderson, it s a huge deal, and i don t feel bad saying i told you so. when you first heard about the conversation where the president tried to get comey to drop the investigation, and he fired him when he didn t drop the investigation, that is obstruction of justice. when you combine it with the apparent conversations between trump and the director of national intelligence, the director of the nsa, trying to stop this investigation in other ways, that s worth investigating someone for obstruction of justice. doesn t mean that trump is guilty. doesn t mean there s going to be
so why won t he say that specifically? because the chairman, and we all are concerned and we ve expressed that concern to him, that the integrity of the department of of justice is directly threatened by this potential obstruction of justice and there is a question here of intent as to what the purpose was, but again the acknowledgement that it was the russia thing that he wanted it to stop because he was concerned about the potential collusion case against him and here is the other part of it, wolf, that i think is very important and sort of the elephant in the room, conspiracy. no accident that the vice president has hired his own lawyer. others in the administration will do so very, very shortly if they haven t already done so. the president s counsel already is interviewing those white house aids and employees who may have had conversations with the president. so what we re seeing here is a widening investigation, not only
the fbi, but as i said to adam, there s no evidence in his article that any of these leaks actually came from the fbi. and we don t even know if the white house knows what it read in the washington post today. they may not have known that this investigation had expanded and by the way, to tie this up to attorney general sessions yesterday, this is exactly why the president is so mad that the attorney general recused himself from the russia investigation because he didn t want a special counsel and he thought, perhaps wrongly, that attorney general sessions could put a stop to it. but of course since he wasn t there, he didn t. and now he s got this special counsel, so we have an investigation that started out as russian meddling in the election and that has clearly expanded to include the president and his staff. we talked about this time and time again. how many times have we seen investigations that start out with one thing and expand into something else completely