so, this is something we have seen from trump and heard from trump. it is critically important to understand that frankly all the big lie, which is not even a new lie, it s an old lie, donald trump just kept pulling it out, dusting it off and using it for his own ends, was always to make it harder for black and brown people to vote, and people in indian country, because they were predictably democratic voters. and so, if you didn t have the numbers the way you could get them, make it harder for the brown folks and the black votes to vote. yeah, 92% of black voters in the 2020 election voted for joe biden. that s a political reality that trump was aware of, but also the trump project is centered on white grievance, which doesn t leave much room for people of color. it s a snake eating its own tail, to some degree. i wonder if there s something, if this can be talked about explicitly. i think it s in there, a
donald trump s running mate? yes or no? i don t think so. i m not a number two guy. i think i m a leader. governor of florida, i ve been able to accomplish a lot. i think i probably could do more staying there than being vp, which doesn t have any authority. joining me now is eugene daniels, sabrina siddiqui, brendan buck and phil rucker. brendan, that s a stink of death question to get if you are ron desantis and you are the nominal strongest challenger. i know national polls this early, all the caveats being what they are, but are we seeing the start of a potential death spiral here for the desantis campaign? yeah. i worry it is. it s a statement of how far and how fast he has fallen. this was the person that a few months ago we thought was going
staying there than being vp, which doesn t have any authority. not a total denial. a trump campaign spokesperson said ron desantis isn t anybody s guy. he s not the guy. he s just a guy. ron is just there. sullen and sad because his numbers are as tiny as him. joining us now, political reporter for the washington post, maryanne levine. great to see you. governor desantis may have brushed off the vp position but what about the other candidates? could we see the lower polling candidates push to be vp? the rumor mill is swirling about a few of them? no one is saying they re running for vice president. there s obviously speculation about whether candidates who aren t polling as high as nikki haley or tim scott, if they would take an offer to be vice
consider that combination. watch. i don t think so. i m not a number 2 guy. i m a leader. governor of florida, i ve been able to accomplish a lot. i think i probably could do more staying there than being v.p., which doesn t have any authority. martha: bill hemmer is here. great to see you. good afternoon to you. martha: missed seeing you this morning. we were in the middle of the hearings. what is your reaction to this? he could have said no. he didn t. he got around to it, i think, in so many words. look, i don t no offense against the question. the interviewer said we get a lot of these by way of e-mail. the question is entirely too premature. we haven t gotten to a debate. i don t know anyone that gets in these campaigns and says i want to be number 2. martha: because of the way the numbers shake out, everybody asks that question. when you have someone at 50 plus percent and everybody else at 22
it s not it doesn t matter to us. we just thought that it would be an okay place to relocate for work. and ever since we ve been here and they ve had the trifecta i think in 2017, it s just been every year it s worse and worse and worse. and you know what was really troubling to me is that snap bill, that eligibility bill where they re going along with these outside groups that people need to have work requirements and prove all these things and be investigated over and over and over. and then taking away people s ability to be eligible for snap, which doesn t even come out of the state budget. and so, it was that and then it was the fact that they didn t sign this child labor bill that they passed at the church. that bill allows for 16 and