baffled me for a long time in this whole thing is why the president doesn t act like the innocent man he professes to be. i mean, his behavior it s like a guy, you know, with a pile of documents behind him and he s saying don t read these. you know? look over there. and his behavior is just is really concerning is that your experience, anybody who s facing 30 years never stands up? i think it s a pretty fair asubje assumpti assumption, particularly, look, if you got a guy who s got a family. he s going to be concerned about them. nobody wants to prison s tough. it s really hard to go to jail. and, you know, if it s an escape route, i would say at least nine out of ten people will take it. so juliette, it does sound like, i don t know, i guess i m watching law & order or something because goldberg is suggesting michael cohen wear a
and, you know, if it s an escape route, i would say at least nine out of ten people will take it. so juliette, it does sound like, i don t know, i guess i m watching law & order or something because goldberg is suggesting michael cohen wear a wire. wouldn t that be picked up by the secret service? do you mean that is actually something that s viable in this? i don t think it s very viable now, but we don t know what conversations they ve been having since the raid of michael cohen s home. we know of at least one of offices we know of at least one phone call. i think this gets to a bigger issue which is implicating obviously the mueller investigation which is and just something that has to be repeated because it s so shocking, the president can t get lawyers to represent him. and that, i mean, he s you know, he s the president of the united states. it shouldn t be that hard to do. i was thinking earlier that, like, the mastermind of the 9/11 attack is able to get better la
you are hearing people talk about the difficulties that they have with their family and their family going through this, that s often an indication that someone is ready to cooperate. that s what gates said. exactly. exactly. what about the notion that mr. goldberg mentioned about potential for cohen wearing a wire. true? i would not expect that. as soon as something is overt, that pretty much means it s blown and everyone s thinking he s not cooperate so no one s talking to him anymore. the investigation is open now, and everybody knows about it. so you would never have somebody put a wire on when they know you re under investigation because, first of all, if you are suspicious of someone being under cooperating and wearing a wire, you often will say the opposite of an incriminating thing, which can be bad for the prosecution. so in this case you would not see michael cohen wear a wire. there are also legal rules. you re not allowed to go to
papadopoulos. this is not something advertised on the nightly news. if people are cooperating, you want them to cooperate. go out, make phone calls, wear a wire. dial a crook, meet with people, get conversations. ultimately you re going to be dealing with people who have committed crimes. so could be in the interest of the government to have this news out here they ve got enough to get flynn on? well, i m not sure it s in the interest of the government to do that. they really want to have both of these individuals if they re cooperating going out there and gathering evidence so when you go before a jury, you can say you just don t have to take your word for it. we ve got all this corroboration that shows what they re saying is the truth. and the government wants to know what they re saying is the truth before they bring charges. for sure. nick, thanks so much. he doesn t tweet as much as he used to and it s not absolutely as crazy as it used
lying to an fbi agent. in order to get out of that, they basically said listen, you got to plead guilty, cooperate with us, probably do something pro-active like wear a wire, then you ll get major cooperation points in the federal system, which means ultimately, he s not going to do any jail time. and, john, also this week, president trump drew some scrutiny for his tweets on the latest russia probe developments, including this one belittling the role of george papadopoulos and calling him a liar. could that amount to obstruction of justice? and if it could, who would make that call? well, it really that s more of a political statement than anything else. but the special counsel is looking at every statement being made by whether it s the president, anybody around him, they re scrutinizing every public statement. so, what s said on twitter is certainly not going to be obstruction of justice but it s something that the mueller team is looking at very closely. john lauro, thank y