several knives but in a statement, state police say because no one was arrested and no one in the family made a formal complaint, the matter was concluded they also say crimo told the local police at the time, he did not feel like harming himself or others. and they say the knives were actually returned to crimo s father later that day because he said they belonged to him. the father s lawyer says there was no threat when the police got there, everyone said, the situation wasn t dangerous. it was overblown the police didn t perceive it to be a dangerous situation. reporter: three months later, crimo applied for a firearm owners i.d because he was 19 he needed a parent s permission and police say his father signed the consent form the state police said there was nothing that crimo presented, in the words of a state law, a clear and present danger if there had been, the card would not have been issued. advocates of stricter gun control says police officers and the people in the commu
wounds are healed. the psychological ones are not. why does it have to be me? what is the reason what did i stay alive for? why did i survive? reporter: do you think this has gotten worse? absolutely. i feel like after covid, things have just gotten ruthless reporter: ruthless, a powerful adjective for a 16-year-old. being so young, it makes you feel like you have to grow up so fast in a place like this reporter: a young girl who instinctively knew those weren t balloons but gunshots. gabe gutierrez, nbc news, new york a program note i ll be talking to new york city mayor, eric adams, about rising crime tomorrow on nightly news. we want to turn right now to a major development in the january 6th committee s investigation. pat cipollone, the former white house counsel under former president trump, has agreed to testify behind closed doors on friday, according to a person familiar with the situation. the panel subpoenaed cipollone last week
to life has been overwhelmingly positive. we ll continue to follow this, dana. dana: joining us for more on this civil rights attorney leo terrell. every single time one of these things comes up gascon seems to have a different set of facts than everyone else. it does make me wonder. am i getting something wrong? what is happening here, leo? thanks for having me. you are not getting anything wrong. he doubled down on his own facts. his facts are not the absolute fact at issue. you have the officers who were two officers who were murdered and he claims the assailant wasn t a threat, wasn t dangerous. he was dangerous. he had a gun, ammo, he was a convicted felon. he should have been behind bars. you have george gascon who has a pro-criminal attitude. career criminals he doesn t see as a threat. yet he continues to double down and this other case, the most recent case, dana, is a person who committed a double murder.
something less than an individual right. and what justice thomas is saying here is that this is an individual right with the other rights in the bill of rights. and we don t like shifting the burden to people to say prove you need to use this right. bill: back to shannon and andy on this. this first case regarding guns of significance before the court in 14 years. and shannon, in 2008 they ruled that the second amendment guaranteed individuals the right to have a gun at home for self-defense. and now this ruling essentially addresses whether the individual can carry the gun outside the home. and shannon, after living in new york for the past 20 years i can tell you for those, whether they support or against the second amendment, living in new york, if you wanted to get a gun, it wasn t impossible but it was pretty close to it. yeah, exactly.