that was surprising because late last night shinseki had gone behind closed doors with veterans group and said that he had no plans to resign and this morning before meeting with the president he laid out a battle plan to fire officials in phoenix, restructure things around the country and try to stick around and fix. this clearly there was some sort of a push and pull and what jay carney was asked before the announcement of carney leaving look, was he pushed out in did you want him to see sign he? said i m not going to get that. would not deny they pushed him out. the reason why is they wanted to publicly, you know, suggest, look, the president has lost confidence new. the president didn t want to fire someone who was a war hero wounded in vietnam. they wanted to let him leave on his own terms, replacement now, the acting secretary mr. gibson monday mental task on his hands. as for jay carney there is no connection between the two departure. carney told the president back in april of