thank you very much for being with us. i wonder what victory looks like to you, maria. i very much agree that the only way to peace is full withdrawal of forces from ukraine and return to borders that we had pre 2014, so that s including crimea and the donbas. putin showed quite clearly that he s not interested in peace, so the only way to make that happen is to give ukraine more weapons and impose more sanctions, both in russia and on countries that support russia. so, putin needs to be brought to his knees, and that s the only way for ukraine to continue existing and to continue being independent. let me bring in another maria. hello to you. thank you for being with us. good evening. what does victory look like for you? the same. i think that ukraine should be in its borders like 1991, of course, with crimea and donbas,
more ukrainian people who are with us this evening. maria romanenko, hello. thank you very much for being with us. i wonder what victory looks like to you, maria. i very much agree that the only way to peace is full withdrawal of forces from ukraine and return to borders that we had pre 2014, so that s including crimea and the donbas. putin showed quite clearly that he s not interested in peace, so the only way to make that happen is to give ukraine more weapons and impose more sanctions, both in russia and on countries that support russia. so, putin needs to be brought to his knees, and that s the only way for ukraine to continue existing and to continue being independent. let me bring in another maria. hello to you. thank you for being with us. good evening. what does victory look like for you? the same.
100,000 people dead and wounded on both sides. some estimates suggest many more. just last week, the boss of nato said the conflict could go on for many, many years. today, china laid out the framework for what it said was a peace plan, which proposes a cease fire and talks and an end to sanctions against russia. president zelensky says the security of ukraine and of europe can only be assured by a total expulsion of russian forces from every bit of ukraine. any territorial compromises would make us a weaker state, he told the bbc. is that realistic? what about the wider debate about how this war might be brought to a close? we re going to talk to some more ukrainian people who are with us this evening. maria romanenko, hello. thank you very much for being with us. i wonder what victory
check policy with no clear, strategic objective identified, and i don t think it s in our interest to getting into a proxy war with china getting involved over things like the border lands or over crimea. i don t think we need to write them blank checks, but they have the passion to fight for their own freedom. give them the ammunition to do it. there can be no room in the leadership of the republican party for apologists for putin. needless to say there will be a robust debate on the presidential debate stage there. but joining me now is dan sullivan, republican from alaska and also a colonel in the marine corps reserve and the only senator who currently serves in the military. welcome back to meet the press . good morning, chuck. good to be on the show. let me start with the basics. you heard from the national security adviser there. what does what do you think victory looks like for ukraine?
but it s still incredibly difficult to live here, because as you can see, the bridge has been destroyed. it was actually the ukrainians who destroyed it back in the spring. they did it to stop russian forces from moving into this area, but now it s a huge challenge for people living on the other side, and you really see the grit and the resilience of the ukrainian people living here. they are walking across the ice, carrying cans to fill with diesel to power their generators, going back and forth to try and get food and supplies so they can continue to live in their homes. this is what victory looks like in much of ukraine. it s grim and it is fragile.