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Transcripts for CNN At This Hour With Berman and Bolduan 20151204 16:30:00

it completely took them by surprise because there were no signs, no warnings that syed farook and his wife were taking that path. there were absolutely no warnings. it seems like they had a double life or they were really good at hiding their you know, what seems to be their new ideology or their intentions. we re getting a sense of what that path may have been. breaking news, tashfeen malik pledged allegiance to isis as the attack was under way. now, officials tell us they believe this couple was self-radicalized, maybe social media connections over time. how do we as a society, not just musl muslim-americans, but how do we as american fight back on in

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Transcripts for CNN At This Hour With Berman and Bolduan 20151204 16:40:00

different neighboring. investigators looking at this as an isis-inspired attack. they have not established this was directed by an isis leader. in other words, isis reached out and said, attack this target on this date. it looks more like something pursuing their kradicalization. this firming up the idea that this was an act of terrorism with a direct link to isis. i should say this, posting a pledge of allegiance has precedence. you may remember the garland, texas, shooters, they as the same time or just prior to the attack posted allegiance, pledge of allegiance to the sigs leader as well. john and kate? and, paul, the fact the fee

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Transcripts for CNN At This Hour With Berman and Bolduan 20151204 16:09:00

conversations with the family, those extend out to friends, to colleagues. your first question is whether there was a conspiracy around this. not yesly just people providing weapons but people who were part of the because they knew something was a foot. did something was happening, did they communicate with number a year ago where this rat calization started. it s almost a ripple effect for the investigation. finally, the question i would be having now, in the wake of the farris plot, who were people in syria who have transitioned over the past month or year in isis who have said, we re not going to passively encourage people to strike europe and the united states. we are going to train them and send them out because i d be worried after paris that isis is going to try to send people to new york and california. there have big questions how someone without any training could pull off these pipe bombs,

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Transcripts for CNN At This Hour With Berman and Bolduan 20151204 16:17:00

libya to meet with senior isis figures who have given them training. and i think the nature of this attack, guns and pretty primitive bombs is consistent with more isis-inspired attacks. people who haven t got that training overseas because when they do, we see things like paris where you have more than 150 people killed. this is not just. as kate said, isis wants these to spring up organically all over the world. they have called for just such thing. they have called for just such thing. they say it s the religious duty of their followers. they have an all-out campaign, every hour of every day they promote the idea that western followers should launch attacks. when they do, they promote them big time and the issues of their english and french and other language magazines.

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Transcripts for CNN At This Hour With Berman and Bolduan 20151204 16:08:00

take time during this attack it could be between the shooting and while they were shot. so, phil, i want to follow up this right neu just to remember our national chief correspondent, that the woman involved in this shooting made some post on facebook as the shooting was under lay, pledging allegiance to isis leader al baghdadi. we know they re ib investigating a possible link between the shooters and a terror suspect they had been before. do you get from the shooting to the terror suspects. what are you doing now? you have to look at multiple layers of the investigation. obviously, you re looking at old information federal officials might have looked at before between these individuals and other radicalized individuals in the united states. if those are closed investigations, i would want to reopen them. you ve got to look at these

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