i m until a complete investigation is done, no one will be able to really determine for certain what happened. if only people weren t so gullible when it comes to some these claims. we couldn t be clearer about this. we categorically, categorically reject these false accusations. the united states was not involved in this in any way. we still do believe it was an act of sabotage. the united states was not in any way contrary to some press reporting out there. bret: congressman himes the united states was not involved in any way at the time from capitol hill and from the administration were suggestions that russia did it. so there is some confusion here. well, bret, yeah. we can t obviously talk about pressure reports that may be talking about the classified information or the classified information itself. i can tell you that the individual at the white house who said the united states was involved in no way, shape, or form was accurate.
evidence to where it lead, whe the case was ready, it was presented to the grand jury, that is as it should be. that department of justice had moved with a greater sense o urgency, and that case proceeded for before now there s been reporting that the ex president has bee calling congressional allies and of course, it is his allie that run of the united state house of representatives he s urging them basically t do two things, as far as i can read the reporting, one is t tighten the screws on alvi bragg, by any means they can investigate the manhatta district attorney, you know, subpoena him, whatever and the other is to tighte throws on joe biden, the president s family, to accelerate that stuff. what do you make of thos reports? well, i don t know whethe exactly the trump people hav given those marching orders to republicans and congress i m not sure they needed to. you know, during the ukraine
exactly the trump people hav given those marching orders to republicans in congress. i m not sure they needed to. you know, during the ukraine investigation, jim jordan an others, they already acted lik the criminal defense lawyers for donald trump, and they r doing it again you know, whether jim jordan and kevin mccarthy neede prodding or not, i don t know. but they ve already been writing to the manhattan da, demanding evidence, threatenin essentially implicitly tha they will be subpoenaed if the don t comply they re acting like they can use the power of congress to d criminal discovery, somethin that, you know, the lawyers fo trump, he already has criminal defense lawyers, probably, you know, perfectly good ones. he doesn t need members of congress to do that. but it is deeply concernin that congress would try to interfere in the administratio of justice i serve on that judiciar committee now. when i was removed from th committee, i was put in th senior position on the judiciary com
representing him in th southern district of new york ukraine investigation. that s the investigation tha stems from our both, france , so his involvement like trum world, we haven t even got t bannon in the contempt o congress case. it s just so deep, long-standing, that hi credibility could be easil tarnished to for donald trump to take t social today and call bo costello, the most important witness in this case it s borderline laughable, given that he has his ow incentive structure here and it has nothing to do wit solely telling the truth about michael cohen. what would you say to critics, who are looking a this perhaps left a little bit of skepticism and, saying this case is a bit small. it s not worth the tim resources. it may appear to be politicall motivated. any violation of the law is worth pursuing but you know, at its while placed criticism i ve maintained, for a ver long time now, donald trum
whole lot of fun doing at people may not know tha often prosecutors well a grand jury cases exhaustively, what mean, by that they ll put ever witness before the grand jur that they believe has relevant evidence not just relevant evidence tha might incriminate the target of the investigation, an forward the investigation, but potential defense witnesses. for, example of i wa investigating a murder case, and i got wind of a define might offer a bogus alib witness. i was gonna make sure that i put that bogus alibi witness before the grand jury, so could create my entire blueprint for the trial in the future that s what i feel like is going on here. and if i were the prosecutor i d welcome bob costello wit open arms and i would recall michae cohen to set the recor straight it seems like that s what he s doing we ll see how this plays out b the end of tomorrow. lisa, i want to ask you abou what mike pence said they re breakdown for us, ho