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of sarina wiegman, england might never have become european champions, but from the start the odds were stacked against her from ever making a career in football. there have been a lot of barriers. yes. well, first, when i started playing, because when i was a little kid, i wasn t allowed to play. so it was basically illegal. in order to fit in, she cut her hair short to play in an all boys team with her twin brother. i knew at a very young age that i wanted to do something in sports and the only thing i could see to become a pe teacher. i ve got them. by the late nineties, she was a fully fledged international player, but with no money in women s football, she still had to teach full time. yes. sarina. oh, that s a good photo. and worked alongside denis keller in the hague. so ijustjuggled and i was always on the edge, being overloaded, trying to keep stable. but i think being a pe teacher really, really helped me in developing as a coach. how would you describe sarina? she is hard on
trace: the question becomes and people ask this, are these foreign assets, are they something else, ryan? what do we know about these things that we re seeing? well, unfortunately one of the biggest threats to continuing the conversation is jumping to conclusions too early. as your last guest said, when we discovered the chinese spy balloon, it was a sputnik moment. we wouldn t have discovered that if we weren t tuning our sensors to look for objects that don t normally correlate to what we re expecting to see. so as we continue to look at this, we have to consider why pilots don t want to speak out, how we re going to encourage more data from the aviators on the military side and commercial side. stigma is a big issue. trace: i want to play this sound bite, this is from scott kelly. he s a former astronaut. he s the twin brother of mark kelly a former astronaut.