we ll trump s defenders saying fine, you re running against somebody and the russians and the kgb come to you and give you information, that s fine. which is totally a total danger to american democracy. i don t understand what s going on. we re going move to matt apuzo and his reporting in just a second and i ll toss that to you, willie. the thing i know about donald trump is that he thinks that if he says something, no matter how untrue it is, he can get a wave of headlines and make it his truth. that s how he worked on the new york media, that s how he worked when he called imitating himself to reporters. he had a lot of fun with that. that was the game he played as a real estate mogul who declared bankruptcy and you re not sure where his money is. that was the trump game. what i don t get is the rudy giuliani giulianis of the world and the others around him who play it as well, who think this is going to end well. they live down to his
in the past. for him to go to a stranger at this point is not expected. what i m watching, stormy daniels is playing a trump game. revisiting the story over and over again. using the media. going to court with him and that is what will not allow to it rest. so i think it will continue to be a problem for them. the question is, is it enough of a problem? i don t think the affair is enough of a problem to make his voters who understood his voters that mad and i m not sure the violation is enough to bring him down. it s using the tools that she has of the legal system to get there are in the ether and he s doing it. and she s being helped by the fact michael cohen is a bad lawyer. i m not a lawyer but i wouldn t want him to be my lawyer.
was, effe the final straw, less what do you know about washington than outside a trump game? walls are tightening in a little bit and more people from a trump tower, the new york world here for this president. and jeff stand by if you can as we continue the conversation. to that point, interesting. watching in america around the world, a single step change at the white house may mean nothing to kwoor life. the question what does it do to the operation of the functioning of the presidency? the type of people who have access to the president, strategy on big issues, whether how much do you cooperate, to have people to investigate, undermine a special counsel? dangerous. how much do you bang heads and figure out the health care mess on capitol hill? move on to infrastructure? who s in the room? and jeff zeleny hit, dana bash, everybody at the table hit on it, they make plans often and the president of the united states is in on the plans signs off on the plans and wakes up
the first time, they just may go for it. i hear you. you know who did that? john kasich did that. he only won his home state. john kasich said i won t play the trump game. i won t get into the insult war. here s who i am. here s who i ve always been. you may not like what i ve done but this is my record. vote for me or don t vote for me. you have to get through the primaries. i guess. if republican leaders had that attitude from the get-go and i m talking about the ones that ran against donald trump but the ones in power right now, perhaps there could have been a massive development somewhere along the way when things really went off the rails. because they did. they really went off the rails. you were there. final word. what do you think? we all have a fantasy about the candidate we like. donald trump had name i.d. self-funder. people liked him. he was a celebrity. if he had used that talent in a
the american people are tired of the obvious bias in the national media. that s where the sense of a rigged election goes here. there s a lot of talk about rigged elections out there today. i have no question the national media is trying to rig this election with their coverage. mike pence learning to play the trump game, professor david gregory. what do you make of that? you know, this is tried and true. this is well worn, this idea of going after the press and the coverage of the press. i don t remember donald trump or mike pence complaining when they got all kinds of access to the media and had their events covered live when they hurled insults at other people and won during the primaries. but now things don t look quite as good. there s no evidence there s any kind of rigging going on. you have republican secretaries of state like in swing state ohio saying it s an irresponsible charge. so we have no idea what the impact will be. i think what s important to know is there s no