seemed to be pulling more votes away from biden or trump based on who you spoke to anderson kennedy s coalition of voters, they ve really span the political spectrum polling data does indicate the largest contingent could actually be those who didn t support either candidate i didn t 2020 a lot of his support comes from these so-called double-haters. those holding unfavorable views of both biden and trump, anderson even can thank so much. the news continues, the sorts we count. collins starts now, i ll see you tomorrow. straight on the source tonight. the president and the probation officers were brand new details from inside donald trump s pre-sentencing interview that could have huge impact on his punishment, including whether judge, were shawn since him to prison, were to giuliani s latest mug shot this time in arizona as the ones it s powerful mayor drowns in debt and scandal he says he has no regrets. we ve got the tape of him today a new images of those extraordinary
backward and forward, cnn political analyst and the new york times senior washington correspondent and best-selling trump biographer maggie haberman. thanks for joining me. i wonder, as we had been bracing for this indictment waiting for it to come down, as you read through it, what stood out to you? a couple of things, kaitlin. number one, much of this was known. much of this was in the public domain or was uncovered by the house select committee run by liz cheney and some of her colleagues so look at this two years of investigative work that preceded there and it s all there. it s all very clear. there were a couple of threads they boil down, jack smith s team boiled down into a three conspiracies that he says took place and that trump was at the center of. what is striking is the therapy few new details they have are from, say, mike pence who talked about private conversations he had trump and had his notes subpoenaed.
repeatedly said in their briefs to the supreme court and other federal courts, the reason we want these returns is not because we re trying to investigate donald trump or expose him but because we need to legislate. they ve not legislated, victor. here we are on the eve of this committee s time as the majority democratic majority running out and now they re talking about turning it over to the world. if they are going to release these i m curious to see what their legal justification is. all right. michael, you re up next and you obviously as the trump biographer, you know how important a potential release of these returns with the details would be to him. we ve got the criminal referrals that happened just yesterday. you ve got so many lawsuits and investigations, place this on the scale of urgency and severity if this information were to become public? well, obviously it s the first item up on the agenda, so
to be basically disbanded and rebuilt from scratch. if both stories are true, that means a lot of people have been lying to the committee. it means a lot of these agents knew about things and covered it up. and it would be a huge deal. easier said than done. we have to protect the president of the united states and everyone who is protected by secret service agents. miles, jonah, and elliott, thank you so much. listen, coming up, we ll look back at the life of ivana trump, her years with donald trump, her tabloid headline divorce, and her legacy. a trump biographer will join me next.