laura: leverage against us, is it not, ralph. tremendous leverage. tremendous leverage. they will cheat, russians will cheat. but the only sanctions that might make a slight difference will be if you really could cut off gasoline. because iranians can t refine enough themselves. cut off international flows. laura: sanctions would have been in international money. deny them international airspace, transit rights. none of it was going to happen. it was all bs. china happen along with russia. actually the peaceful pursuit of nuclear weapons, right? helping build infrastructure and machinery and things that iran needs. look. if iran gets nukes. china doesn t feel threatened. china sees that iran would then have over the persian gulf and saudi oil. that s good for china. russia makes money either way. it s funny if iran gets whacked, russia does well. if iran gets nuked it does well. we are such amateurs.