when they need to expand or hire someone. that last person on the staff who might lose their job. i think that kind of stuff is implicated here. i m happy the two sides are talking, even though it was this washington standard you couldn t negotiate anything around the time of the debt ceiling. it s not practical. not just access to credit for businesses, we are a country that lives on credit cards, all of that will get exponentially more expensive. connor, i want to ask you about the 14th amendment. more democrats, including john fetterman of pennsylvania, who has the seat you wanted, are calling on president biden to use the 14th amendment. this has never been done before. it is extreme. if you were in that seat, if you were senator lamb, what would you be doing? i think i d be very skeptical of that theory, not because i want us to cave on the debt ceiling. i think we should wipe out the debt ceiling as an issue. if you had to meet the coin, or whatever, that s fine.
and then there s not a lot of it. the calendar and time. those are the two biggest enemies. lawmakers are starting to feel pressure from both sides to avoid the chaos. kevin mccarthy must walk a fine line getting a deal that he can sell to house republicans. he in fact believes the deadline is early june. listen. i m not going to argue about that. to pass the house, you ll need three or four days. to pass the senate, you ll need a week. so when you work that back, that s why i think you really have to get a frame work of that deal by this weekend. u.s. capitol police just arrested lift wing protesters demanding a deal to their liking on capitol hill. they don t want the president to cave to gop demands. there s always democrats in the middle whose votes will be key. we re not going to hit the ceiling. we shouldn t cause chaos to the
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government. we need a constitutional amendment on the right to vote. in other words, we have to keep democracy growing, otherwise we re going to be constantly lapsing back into these authoritarian impulses that donald trump in his party have released against us. i appreciate in the short time we ve had, that you brought up that part of the discussion. which should have been much more frequently, congressman, good to see you, thanks to the work that you put in on behalf of the country to try and expand our democracy. in a world where it could actually be shrinking. congressman jamie raskin is a member of the january six committee. he was a manager in the impeachment, the second impeachment of donald trump. one of the key witnesses in the january 6th hearings that help make the case that led to the criminal referral of donald trump. was rusty bowers, powers as one of the first state republican officials who refused to cave. and to go along with trump s attempted coup. so along with the
congressman jamie raskin is a member of the january six committee. he was a manager in the impeachment, the second impeachment of donald trump. one of the key witnesses in the january 6th hearings that help make the case that led to the criminal referral of donald trump. was rusty bowers, powers as one of the first state republican officials who refused to cave. and to go along with trump s attempted coup. so along with these hearings, what does he think of the referrals? and what may come next? for donald trump? joining me now is rusty bowers, the arizona republican who stood his ground. and he refused to help donald trump and his lawyers overturn the election. rusty, thanks for being with us. i think what we just heard was really, really important. there was a part of us that was dependent on people like you, and brad raffensperger, and auschwitz in pennsylvania who really stood up against the