according to the rule of law index in 2022 by the world justice project, hong kong is ranked 22nd out of 140 jurisdictions in terms of rule of law, followed by spain at 23rd and the us at 26. so we have an independent judiciary that is well recognised around the world. so any prosecuted individuals are going to go through a fair trial. so if they in fact did commit a crime that is in regards to national security, they should be prosecuted. right, just a couple of points on that. obviously, the 2020 national security law was initiated in beijing, not in hong kong. you know that as well as i do. it also makes it much easier to extradite hong kong citizens into china. you know that, too. but leave that aside. i m just interested in the mindset here. alice mak, obviously another well known pro beijing politician in hong kong, she said last year, if hong kong is a police state, why not? i don t think there s any problem with a police state. do you agree? you asked me exactly the same