anymore. and here we are now. thank you so much, joyq■. good evening, from new york, i am chris hayes, andñr■it is a big night with major historic breaking news. and i mqgoing to be with you for the next hour entirely. and after that, the one and only rachel maddow will be here. kmt. x■so, we expect that somelp time early next week that the former president of these united states willoki] surrender to the manhattan district attorney s office where he will be arrested and face arraignment on felony criminal charges. and that m■jul■ afternoon a grand jury in manhattan voted to indict donald trump i of their son baron. this is the culmination of an investigation that s been five years and two districtf■ attorneys. in recent weeks, as the case neared a close, or appeared to, we saw key witnesses testify before the grand juryñr■ down i■ m■attan, including michael cohen, trump st■r and fixer, who actk!ñ■made the payments toçó■daniels in october of 201
there s an old statements from - latin american dictator from - for my friends, anything, from my enemies, the law. and we use it with trump because that s really the wa he s operating i want to stay here, though, o this point because i think this is really important for the people watching this right now an sort of making light of this you know, this point about wha the rule of law means, which i really kind of been the no above the whole question o donald trump from the very beginning, from the lock her u stuff, right like, all of this what does it mean what is a cash out to, tha phrase means and i think the point here about what that means and ho it catches out here is that, a he is intense into till proven guilty and he does hav constitutional rights as a defendant. let her be, we don t know what the case is, but it might no also be a strong case. i just don t know. and if you - that to me is an important par of this. when john edwards go prosecuted by the obama justic depart
results and could easily d that as the president. we saw the use of pardons, the way that he helped his friends and hurt his foes. and i think that today is step in the right direction in terms of the rule of law, wher he is being held to account. and we will have all of th rights of a criminal defendant and that means also people should be aware it s going t take some quite some time. because part of that means h has the right to discovery, to motions. all of that is something tha comes with it for the people who were saying that this is a great day because he s been held t account, they need t understand the other part of that, which is, all of us know it s something that goes wit the rule of law. - you know, chris, i look a that same, and i listen to and the thing that jumped ou to me is the notion of status. and when i stay status, it works in very different ways he made reference to his statu in a number of different places the 45th president, someone wh is currently the l
anger that he s breeding, that he s growing, it s just really it s really hurtful. and it s hurtful, hopefully, only in an emotional way and not in a physical way. alvin bragg is doing his job if it turns out that this is a political witch hunt, th public will know you better believe a jury will know to. so, they deserve and law enforcement deserves the benefit of the doubt but donald trump deserve beyond a reasonable doubt. otherwise, he s innocent you were nodding your hea as i was describing what i about and what is only going t get more intense i, think, a time goes. on 100% so, i think something like thi happens and we go to the worst places on the internet and generally what people ar saying is that this is political theater and we hav seen impeachments and we hav seen he s beat back all of thi and one of the places that i look at right now is teflo don. they are not concerned about him and they think he will because he is their savior the one thing that i concerning is tha
love of jesse james, and missouri outlaw. so he sees that there is thi other realm beyond the establishment world, and that the one he s riding high on. jim, i tend to think that political ramifications of something like this are gonn change 1 million times no doubt. it s very early and who knows what meteors strike i don t do predictions but i this moment as someone who has been someone who is a politica operative, who was worked in campaigns, what s your read on the politics at this point as you ve just said, this i unprecedented, in part because the former president has not broken the law in this way and held accountable by th judicial system. so in many ways this is th judicial system working as i should, which is a big part of our democracy. the politics of this, chris, i would say there s a lot of emphasis on how much this is going to help donald trump i don t think we know that yet and that hasn t played out