going to be played out, you know, how much will a federal judge ding him if he can t really prove the bot thing, which he probably can t. it s very hard. so the question is, how much do you want to pay to get something versus having obey and get nothing. that, that s gotta be in his calculus right now which is why a lot of people hi they re going to settle in the middle somehow. neil: charlie, if we can, we learned he has two more children, twins, with a former worker. i think he has nine over course of relationships with three different women. he gets overly scrutinized on this sort of stuff, i get that, more than others would. but it was combined this past week where he s been in the business press, social media press, they ve been tweeting about it having nothing to do with the deal as well. do you think he just draws more controversy with this? well, you know, this is a guy that counts it too, neil.
sides but also them. but i think that i really do think that s true. and i want to give one example that was really sort of front of mind today of one side sort of being worse, being less tethered to reality, and that was because today was jobs day. right? it s a big deal in the business press and even in the media generally because it s the day the bureau of labor statistics releases all the job stats for the previous month. and it was a good jobs number today. there was 266,000 new jobs. that beat expectations by quite a bit. the unemployment rate ticked down to 3.5%. that s a 50-year low. it s good that a lot of people are working. [ applause ] exactly. yes. it s good people are working. we re happy about that. now, there are a lot of places i think if you look into the data, if you sort of sift through it that show the economy is actually a lot weaker for working people and huge swaths of americans than that number suggests. but the data is the data. right? the top line numbers w
worse. no, i know. and there s no way to say that without yourself sounding biased, obviously. to say i m telling you it s both sides but also them, but i really do think that s true. and i want to give one example that was really sort of front of mind today of one side sort of being worse, being less tethered in reality, and that was because today was jobs day. it s a big deal in the business press and even in the media generally because it s the day the bureau of labor statistics releases all the job stats for the previous month. and it was a good jobs narrative. there was 266,000 new jobs that beat expectations by quite a bit. the unemployment rate ticked down to 3.5%. that s a 50-year low. it s good a lot of people are working. it s good people are working. we re happy ability that. now, there are a lot of places i think if you look into the data, if you sort of sift through it
there was a lot of smoke and mirrors. you know, he not only was out of running out of money at the time they struck that prenup, he was almost personally bankrupt. he had to go to the family and ask them for money. and even his own siblings didn t want to give him a dime. they ended up forcing him to pledge his future share of fred s estate in order to get enough money to keep him from going bankrupt. and i think all of the documentation that s been coming out piecemeal from the, you know, early 90s to the present shows that there is much less there than he ever said. and i think the business press knew that for a long time. i think there were shades of it out there, but no one ever actually knew how deeply bad it was, and it was bad. one thing that i get, tim, from your reporting for years on donald trump, gabe, from your reporting, including this. michael wolfe s reporting is this consistent picture the picture is consistent. as to the specifics of every little tiny bit of evi
out piecemeal from the, you know, early 90s to the present shows that there is much less there than he ever said. and i think the business press knew that for a long time. i think there were shades of it out there, but no one ever actually knew how deeply bad it was, and it was bad. one thing that i get, tim, from your reporting for years on donald trump, gabe, from your reporting, including this. michael wolfe s reporting is this consistent picture the picture is consistent. as to the specifics of every little tiny bit of evidence that has accumulated to create this picture, there is no conflict no one s come out with a different image of donald trump that conflicts with the guy. yeah. who would do this kind of prenup and who would behave the way he does in his marriages, as you ve reported in your book, as michael reports in his. yeah, i mean, this is this is sort of the i mean, this is the strange situation where it s all on the surface. america knew and knows who t