unfortunately, many people died during this war. they were killed by russians. many cities were destroyed. that is important for putin to know. he already knows about this. we are ukrainians, that is why we are not afraid. as soon as the united states and europe stand behind us, and we are defending values of civilized worlds, then we can be sure that we can win. how does this and when you say this, i hear this from ukrainians everywhere i go, we will win, we will fight this until it is over, how does it end? what does the end look like? is it a negotiated situation? it is diplomatic? do the russians just take their tanks and drive the other direction? how can you negotiate with barbarians, you need to throw them out. then only after this can you negotiate. do you think they will leave? do you think they will look at this and say, we can t win this war, we are running out of people.
united states was taken over by a much larger adversary, you don t have the option to quit when foreign troops are coming to take your home, to occupy your country. and what we ve seen what s happened in places where russian troops have occupied towns like bucha, irpin, and mariupol. in mariupol, according to local officials, tens of thousands of ukrainians were killed just in that city, soldiers and civilians. so, ukrainians don t really have the option of showing fatigue of giving up on this fight because if they give up, they give in, and they lose this country. it is tiring, of course, but there are still places now in ukraine, because they have pushed the russians out here to the east, where they can have a somewhat normal life. if you are in kyiv, you can get
russian troops have occupied towns like bucha, irpin, and mariupol. in mariupol, according to local officials, tens of thousands of ukrainians were killed just in that city, soldiers and civilians. so, ukrainians don t really have the option of showing fatigue of giving up on this fight because if they give up, they give in, and they lose estimated 30,000 civilians. for a country that did not want war, ukrainians were not part of this war. they are not in the civil defense over the military have died. and yet, i am not seeing a weakening in resolve, compared to when this war started a year ago. again, you are closer on the front, and have been much more often closer to the front. what are you sensing? they don t have the option to have a weakening of resolve. they are fighting for their survival here. if you could imagine, or if any viewer could imagine that the
this is not one year, this is nine years since russia s war on ukraine. mr. tkachenko, good to see you again, thank you for being with us and make your prognostication come true, many thanks. nbc news chief foreign correspondent angela has been following this as closely as anyone. he joins me from the city of both crossed in eastern ukraine. richard? it s good to join you, pretty good timing you have showing up in kyiv for this historic visit. it is historic, that is the word we throw around a lot. but today felt different, it felt like a moment, it felt like, for many ukrainians, they know that it didn t have to be like this. a year ago when russian forces first invaded this country, the world expected that they would quickly take over the country, topple the government and send zelenskyy packing. and said, we had president zelenskyy with his biggest supporter in joe biden, president biden in that square promising more support after
russia because they have more men and more killer which is what they want to kinds of weapons, higher mobility, longer range weapons, even planes. richard, i want to ask about results. this country has lost an estimated 30,000 civilians. for a country that did not want war, ukrainians were not part of this war. they are not in the civil defense over the military have died. and yet, i am not seeing a weakening in resolve, compared to when this war started a year ago. again, you are closer on the front, and have been much more often closer to the front. what are you sensing? they don t have the option to have a weakening of resolve. they are fighting for their survival here. if you could imagine, or if any viewer could imagine that the united states was taken over by a much larger adversary, you don t have the option to quit when foreign troops are coming to take your home, to occupy your country. and what we ve seen what s happened in places where