chief of staff and the bob haldeman years in federal prison. leading off our discussion tonight, glenn kirschner, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. he is the host of justice matters podcast. also with, us bradley moss, a national security attorney and former clerk for the national security archive. glenn kirschner, it is just so striking to see a another whites house chief of staff right in the center of the target space of a special prosecutor s investigation of a not the republican president. lawrence, i love what you focused on. i don t think it is a shock that jack smith secured mark meadows testimony given how aggressively jack smith has been trying to secure the testimony of every relevant witness around donald trump.
leading off our discussion tonight, glenn kirschner, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. he is the host of justice matters podcast. also with, us bradley moss, a national security attorney and former clerk for the national security archive. glenn kirschner, it is just so striking to see a another whites house chief of staff right in the center of the target space of a special prosecutor s investigation of a not the republican president. lawrence, i love what you focused on. i don t think it is a shock that jack smith secured mark meadows testimony given how aggressively jack smith has been trying to secure the testimony of every relevant witness around donald trump. i suspected that mark meadows would testify, but the question that i think is intensely interesting is in what capacity did mark meadows testify? was he, as you mentioned, a cooperating witness? because what jack smith could have done is tell him, listen,
particularly if you re in a critical infrastructure industry finance sector, energy sector, pipelines. water. that s where the danger is. and as i say, the government is doing a lot but individuals have to do it too. this is one where it s an unusual situation. conflict you normally think of between armies and armies. navies and navies. the target space is in the private sector and we re doing all we can to help protect them and the bill passed last night is a huge step forward. the private sector has to step up too and develop, over next week, a heightened sense of urgency. very briefly, are you surprised that putin hasn t done more to attack ukraine on cyber or even us? i have. i expected a much more substantial cyber attack on ukraine going in.
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