learned by everybody. quite, thanks for that carl. tamuz, ijust want to come back to you, do you want to comment on what you heard our panel say about this? i want to be an optimist. you want to be an optimist, we like that here. let me just get a couple of comments from our audience here on what they have heard our panel say today. anybody want to make a comment? russia became a successor state of the soviet union, they took over their seat in the security council | but did they change? right, thank you very much. another comment please from our audience? the proposal to include ukraine . as a nato plus member will give the possibility to the usa to foster and enlarge the american - arms sales to ukraine. that looks to me as a great adventure commercial- possibility for the usa, but in conrtrast there are far fewer possibilities for ukraine compared to the full nato membership. - nato plus seems like a weak compromise in the current - discussions with the russian
quite, thanks for that carl. tamuz, ijust want to come back to you, do you want to comment on what you heard our panel say about this? i want to be an optimist. you want to be an optimist, we like that here. let me just get a couple of comments from our audience here on what they have heard our panel say today. anybody want to make a comment? russia became a successor state of the soviet union, they took over their seat in the security council | but did they change? right, thank you very much. another comment please from our audience? the proposal to include ukraine as a nato plus member- will give the possibility to the usa to foster and enlarge - the american arms sales to ukraine. that looks to me as a great adventure commercial- possibility for the usa, - but in conrtrast there are far fewer possibilities for ukraine compared to the full- nato membership. nato plus seems like a weak compromise in the current -
of comments from our audience here on what they have heard our panel say today. anybody want to make a comment? russia became a successor state of the soviet union, they took over their seat in the security council | but did they change? right, thank you very much. another comment please from our audience? the proposal to include ukraine . as a nato plus member will give the possibility to the usa to foster and enlarge the american - arms sales to ukraine. that looks to me as a great adventure commercial- possibility for the usa, but in conrtrast there are far fewer possibilities for ukraine compared to the full nato membership. - nato plus seems like a weak compromise in the current - discussions with the russian federation all right, thanks very much indeed. a clear voice there in support of ukraine joining nato as a full member. that s all we have got time for from this edition of global questions.
that s a very interesting question, and first that s a very interesting question, and first of that s a very interesting question, and first of all i would really like to get and first of all i would really like to get back to the whole history of nato expansion. there were never any formal nato expansion. there were never any formal promises made to russia that nato would not expand. there were discussions, russia basically asked the question of whether nato was still useful after the fall of the soviet still useful after the fall of the soviet union and the dismemberment of the soviet union and the dismemberment of the warsaw pact. what happened is these newly independent states who would these newly independent states who would been invaded by the soviet union, would been invaded by the soviet union, which was now for them russia a successor union, which was now for them russia a successor state to, these newly independent states felt very insecure. they had a relative
fall, as our questioner has asked? , ., asked? we should humbly say that building asked? we should humbly say that building democracy - asked? we should humbly say that building democracy and i that building democracy and rule that building democracy and rule of that building democracy and rule of law is not that easy. it rule of law is not that easy. it takes rule of law is not that easy. it takes time. culture, tradition, whatever. we have seen tradition, whatever. we have seen that tradition, whatever. we have seen that in those post soviet post seen that in those post soviet post yugoslav states, it is not easy, post yugoslav states, it is not easy, is post yugoslav states, it is not easy, is not straightforward, it requires time, patience, but it requires time, patience, but it is it requires time, patience, but it is worth it requires time, patience, but it is worth it. because the alternative is far worse. the alternative is far worse. the alternative is far