of election fraud were just lies. what they were proposing, that was nuts. the mayor was definitely intoxicated. law firms were not comfortable making the arguments that rudy giuliani was making publicly. evidence today that former president trump knew he lost, and kept telling lies about it. the president accepted that. he said, okay, fine, but what about the others? i told them that it was it was crazy stuff, and i was doing great, doing service for the country. and why the investigation now involves fundraising off claims that were notably false? not only was there the big lie, it was the big group off. tonight, committee member zoe lofgren, republican election lawyer and witness from today s hearing, ben ginsberg. plus, nicole wallace, joy reid, chris hayes lawrence o donnell, ari melber, in our special primetime coverage of the second day of the january 6th hearings. good evening and thank you for being with us tonight. i m rachel maddow here at
did the money go, to what committee and how was the money spent and the fact that the campaign finance laws are so bugged up, it is not obviously criminal, it is a subject for another show. but the other bucket that he really may have trouble with, the trump organization might, donald trump himself, is consumer protection laws. this is in the same bucket that they got bannon for, when he was saying he was building a wall, and they were lining their pockets. those typically are handled by state s attorneys general. and not by the federal government. although the federal government could stick their foot in if they could find some wire fraud and it was big and blatant enough, and this may turn out to be that. so in that instance, the way you re talking about that second sort of bucket, any state attorney general in a state where a trump donor made a donation on the basis of false claims, thinking they were donating for example to a fund that didn t actually exist and the money went to