so just as the cops had been hoping fred and frank talked, but not a word from either one to establish they were involved in a murder. we had like 60 plus phone conversations between them. and you re tapping them all. and we re tapping them all. but they just didn t slip-up. so it was time, the detchbs decided to launch the under cover squad led by chris nelson. nick harvey told the homicide guys what s up, nick told me. so now if you re frank and fred, your biggest concern is that nick s caught. of course. and you want to make sure he s not going to say anything. first detective nelson decided he d go for broke by phoning fred shockner himself and claiming to be the hired killer, nick harvey. so how did you go about doing this? i used one of inmate phones
someone she met and tried to help. exactly. reporter: fred hung up with the detective and picked up his cell phone to talk to jaramillo. that call was also recorded. hello. did you hear a lot of that? kind of. okay. good. i don t need to talk about it. okay. how are you doing, bud? it has been a rotten, rotten time. all the so much sympathy and so much activity surrounding it. it s unbelievable. reporter: so just as the cops had been hoping, fred and frank talked, but not a word from either one to establish they were involved in a murder. we had like 60-plus phone conversations between them. reporter: you re tapping them all. we re tapping them all. reporter: but they just didn t slip up. so it was time, the detectives decided, to launch the undercover squad led by kris
some of those four members who refer to themselves as the squad led by alexandria ocasio-cortez. i think he really wants to seize on some of those intraparty divisions but when he makes comments like these and goes after those members of congress so personally all he really does is unifies the democratic party against him. also raises another question, astead. if the point is to make liberal members of congress who can be controversial. we know this. but if the point is to make them the face of the entire democratic party, is it working? well, i think that s been a point republicans are trying to even outside the president. we have seen conservative media and republican leaders largely try to really focus democrat trying to paint this democratic party largely as defined by these members. now, certainly these members experience a wide number of support, drive interest through social media and grassroots funding and represent atescenda
reporter: so just as the cops had been hoping, fred and frank talked, but not a word from either one to establish they were involved in a murder. we had like 60-plus phone conversations between them. reporter: you re tapping them all. we re tapping them all. reporter: but they just didn t slip up. so it was time, the detectives decided, to launch the undercover squad led by kris nelson. i was armed with information now. nick harvey s told the homicide guys what s up. they ve told me. so now if you re frank and fred, frick and frack. reporter: yeah. your biggest concern is that nick s caught. reporter: yeah. of course. you want to make sure he s not going to say anything. what does he have to trade. reporter: first detective nelson decided he d phone fred schockner himself and pretend to be the hired killer, nick harvey.
so much sympathy and so much activity just surrounding it, it s unbelievable. just as the cops had been hoping, fred and frank talked, but not a word from either one to establish they were involved in a murder. we had like 60 plus phone conversations between them. you re tapping in them all. yes. but they just didn t slip up. it was time, the detectives decided, to launch the undercover squad led by chris n knollson. i was armed with information now. nick harvey told the homicide guys what s up. they told me. so now if you re frank and fred, your biggest concern is that nick is caught. of course. want to make sure he doesn t say anything. first detective nelson say head would go for broke. phoning fred shocker in himself and claiming to be the hired