that s what you hope. what do you think will happen? i really do think that will happen, because people recognize what s happening to the economy, you know, every single day that we don t fund the operations of the government, we are actually losing $10 by on. $10 billion. it makes a difference. it makes a difference to the people if we do t you know, the government was just starting to run, small businesses hiring, banks loaning, all of that shuts down if we send a signal that we ll default on our obligations. this scenario assumes that speaker boehner would say to his caucus, i know not all of you are with me, but we re going to put this on the floor. mr. boehner has made it clear for three years he would do anything to prevent a shutdown. nonetheless now we have a partial shutdown, not a complete shutdown. we ve heard the announcement from the secretary of defense
at health care.gov. and phone lines jammed. remember what republicans said, ed? said you re going to have to force this down the throats of the american people. well, millions of americans are voluntarily going online, making phone calls. and this is where the misinformation is going to get corrected, when they get access to affordable health care, they re not going to pay attention to any of this other crap anymore. tom, fox news, quickly moved away from covering glitch watch back to the shutdown. why don t republicans realize their case for shutting down the government, just really holds no weight whatsoever? well, i think they re aware of that. i think they can read the polls. this is why speaker boehner didn t want to go in this direction. even if he wasn t willing to stand up to his caucus to prevent it. and they know the same thing about obama care. even in the worst days of obama care, the individual elements of it have always been popular. when people actually understand ho
i don t know who these negotiators are, but like they re the worst i ve ever seen. brian: you re a master at negotiating. you have written books about it, give seminars and classes about it. so where did you see the leverage that speaker boehner didn t? unbelievable leverage, you have the debt ceiling coming up, which they should have put into this package, not waited a month or two months, and you have all of these things coming up and obama would have folded. 100%. as sure as you re sitting there, obama would have folded like a deck of cards. he had no choice. instead of doing that, they raise taxes and then norquist comes out of the and says that s okay, that s not really a tax raise. i don t know what these people are too long. i don t know what they re saying. they could have had an incredible, big, beautiful package, great for the country. everything wpped up, everything finished. now they ll be fighting again. but you just see it. that was supposed to be the tax increase and
i was enjoying watching what was going on on set. you know, yes, we ll get to spending at some point because the theater changes now, right? this was, as mark and dan noted, bad terrain for republicans, much more than the debt ceiling fight and with the sequestration that s going to hit, there s going to be spending cuts, obviously. but i just want to piggyback on one thing dan talked about which is paul ryan and the contribution he made to deficit reduction by passing the paul ryan plan through the house. i agree to a certain extent that it contributes to the deficit reduction, but at some point republicans have to realize those plans aren t going to pass, that there is a democratic senate and a democratic president, and you have to get somewhat closer to yes. and i think when we look back at this fight, we ll look at why speaker boehner didn t respond to president obama s last grand bargain offer which would have included those social security fixes that joe talked about, which would
negotiating session. obama every morning he needs to wake up and try to go with before the fall. you won the election. you know it. the republicans know it. and you are entitled to certain things. but if you repeat what you did on monday which was a victory lap in the cusp of the conclusion of negotiations where you rub the republicans nose in the fact that you force them to raise the rates and then you say you think you have spending afterwards, you are not going to get any spending cuts afterwards. he is oaf his own cliff. what he needs to remember is one day he will need the republicans, to be a run on the dollar or crisis in foreign affairs, he has to make sure that he hasn t so humiliated and alienated them that they will not stand with him. he is the president of the country. he has to remember that, not just the miles per hour liberals or the american democrats. bret: do you think there is regret that speaker boehner didn t take whatever the big