that to the slave states of the communist era either. martha: if you want freedom and independence, you want to be responsible for your own future. you want to own that responsibility and those talents that you have. you want to set that for generations to come after you, to set that example of strength and independence. you can t have freedom without ownership. it s a contradiction. thank you. martha: merry christmas. thank you. merry christmas to you too. martha: here s a couple of words for you. american, brave, grandfather. this is not those are words that stanford university wants to purge. they say they re potentially harmful. tyrus take next.
that was the defining political issue of the 1850s. it was what the douglas/lincoln campaigns were about for the senate. and remember, lincoln kept losing, so being an anti-slavery politician in the 1850s was not a guaranteed winner, but he believed it. and gene, as you mentioned, he comes to cooper union. he talks about how there is a strong distinction between us and them, between the north and the south, between the free states and the slave states. they believe slavery is right. and we believe it is wrong. and on that issue, democracy itself would hang because the aristocracy of race in my native region, in the south, wanted to perpetuate its own power at any cost. even unto 750,000 people dying in a civil war.
politician in the 1850s was not a guaranteed winner. but he believed it. and as you mentioned, he comes to cooper union. he talks about how there is a strong distinction between us and them, between the north and the south, between the free states and the slave states. they believe slavery is right, and we believe it is wrong. and on that issue, democracy itself would hang because the aristocracy of race wanted to protect its own power at any cost, unto 750,000 people dying in civil war. one of the great facts of american history is that the slave owning interest in the united states of america preferred civil war, an
other state from getting the evidence needed to either prosecutor successfully sue the individual involved. you predicted that this sort of back and forth between tates, passing laws to counter laws in other states, that is going to bleed to an era of legal battles similar to antebellum, when we have the battle over the rights of slaves. how do you expect this will play out in court? it is really hard to tell. you re exactly right. this situation is not unprecedented. but it recalled some of the darkest times in our country s history. specifically in the wake of the fugitive slave law of 1850 when states like connecticut and others passed personal liberty laws to protect the black americans in their borders from being essentially kidnapped to slave states. it is really uncertain how these legal battles are going to work out more generally, although we re highly confident that our
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