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Transcripts for MSNBC Velshi 20240604 14:01:00

being fined the maximum penalt of one point $6 million. all of the logistics like weight, it not a lot has happened yet but, trump and many have his allies have already bega criticizing and accusing the justice system of being corrup and biased against him donald trump, like anyon accused of a crime in th united states, is presumed innocent until proven guilty and is also entitled to his da in court in order to defen himself. but, his focus of the moment seems to be delegitimizing the justice system altogether. i think that lebron support of the republican party the vast majority of you elected members of which hav already come to his defense. and latinos continuing to ru against him as the leader of the party in the 2024 gop trum presidential nominee like his own vice president, mike pence i think the unprecedented indictment of a former president of the united states for a campaign finance issue i an outrage

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Transcripts for MSNBC Velshi 20240604 14:05:00

because everybody likes someone who energize the bas and for better or worse donald trump actually does that but, you bring up an interesting point because i wa talking about the reaction i trump world. which seems to have expanded t pretty much of every elected republican in congress but, neither mike pence no iran says fit into tha category they are potentially trump opponents like trump pence has made very clear. he thinks donald trump put him in his family s life in danger on january 6th, there is n love lost today between mike pence and don trump. or, run desantis and donal trump. but, they have also thrown themselves fully into this thing, they have not sai things like donald trump wil have a trial and is presumed innocent until proven guilty he may walk away and nothing will have happened they are not saying that, they talk about it legitimate prosecution. exactly, it really is fascinating to think the peopl who could be running against former president trump are not waiting

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Transcripts for MSNBC Velshi 20240604 14:23:00

got it from local republicans, says it s supposed to be peaceful it s up to him i think that there is violence if he is constantly attackin the judge in the jury an saying this is all unfair, i think that will alienate you know key suburban moderate voters who did not vote fo donald trump-backed candidates in the midterms. and i know he will create even larger problems for himself in a general election david, i want to switch gears for a second, russia authorities have detained an american reporter. evan gershkovich and a wal street journal reporter. they accused him of spying i attempting to obtain stage secrets. you posted on your twitter quite a bit about hi detainment and you als understand quite deeply this issue of state held, wrongfull detained people. tell me what you make of the situation? this is a part of a sort of tragic and growing pattern, no at least 54 americans bein held around the world unjustly and exchanged. years, ago extremist group

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Transcripts for MSNBC Velshi 20240604 14:56:00

note that part of the reason part of the rationale for usin that kind of language is precisely for what we ar talking about here which i that if you would spread tha kind of talk, essentially yo are making threats and the ide behind that is to get people who oppose you to back down, t remain silent. it feeds into this general ide that oh, no we better not do anything against trump because if we, do it s going to ge people angry and there will be violence you don t amend or subtract th rule of law because you ar afraid there might be violence if you enforce it. so part of what we see wit this language is bullying, elaborate bullying and a attempt to how people who ar up close to former president trump in this indictment movement and that matters lot. in addition to the fact that i is simply irresponsible by potentially encouraging people who might be particularly eage to be violent. let me ask you about, this

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Transcripts for MSNBC Velshi 20240604 14:14:00

various flaws with legal theories that they sort of tried on and discarded and now having had tha information in the publi domain, donald trump is saying wait one second, mark pomerant told the whole world that this case was nothing and alvin bragg has resuscitated it. that must mean is politicall motivated. i think that narrative i entirely wrong putting aside whether it was proper from mike pomerantz t put that book into the publi domain, i think what happene was alvin bragg came int office he had not been in the manhattan da s offic previously, in fact he had a long career as a prosecutor an federal domain and then the ne york attorney generals offic and said wait one second i just got here. i need some time to familiariz my staff and senior leadership with your investigation. i need to wrap my arms aroun this and by all accounts including according to a new york times story, that s exactly what he did but donald trump is going to seize on the pomerantz book as exemplar s o prosecut

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