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and then we ll talk. i m hesitant to talk about any subpoenas, et cetera, but i have been interviewed by the fbi. it was four hours of a discussion that they had with me. they seemed to have a goodgrasp on all of the testimony that i ve given. how significant is this, phil? well, it shows that jack smith s probe into the fake electors scheme and that the broader efforts by trump and his allies to overturn the election results is looking deeply at a number of states. we ve known they ve been doing this investigative work so far, but we re getting increasing reporting the last few weeks about activity in arizona, both what you saw right there from rusty bowers. my colleagues at the washington post reported a few days ago that the former arizona governor, doug ducey came under pressure in his conversations after the election with trump, with trump wanting him to take action as the governor to try to overturn the election results. you ve got to imagine that that
mike pence was very firm about that. how is that answer going to help or hurt him in iowa? well, in today s republican party it probably doesn t hurt donald trump because what that actually tells you is the strength of donald trump s narrative and how the big lie has become dogma and conviction within the republican party. donald trump polling around 56%, mike pence around 6%. mike pence is going to stay on his conviction that he did the right thing. voters within the party remarkably, though, think that the big lie is true and that donald trump is right. and could that hurt mike pence? he s putting all of his eggs in the iowa basket. it certainly is. mike pence like other republican candidates is waiting for donald trump to wound himself. somehow the indictments or other factors bring donald trump down and mike pence is poised overtake him. we ve yet to see that moment. and senator heitkamp, let s talk also about the money issue,
walt nodded to cooperate with the government. if he does not, it s almost a certainty he will go to prison for years. he is part of the instruction of justice in this case those penalties are very significant. we know a lot of the information we are seeing in these newly unredacted bits of the affidavit from the indictment itself, but what this does is confirms our understanding that the evidence prosecutors have compiled here is thorough, detailed, overwhelming but they will have physical evidence in the form of video showing the number of boxes that were there but boxes that were removed, boxes that attorneys couldn t search. walter nauta and donald trump try to conceal them from the government. this new evidence only adds to the pressure that will mount on walt nodded at some point in these proceedings.:we see him still as the embodiment, he is well donald trump at every
yasmin, jack smith had that speaking indictment that revealed a lot of this evidence, but these new details are especially incriminating. at the same time, that trump s people are claiming all of the documents have been handed over, investigators are watching video with their own eyes with walt nauta moving boxes back and forth. this is the same walt nauta who told investigators he didn t know where the boxes were. jack smith thinks that while donald trump put nauta up to this, up to these lies, which are the basis of the conspiracy charge, these new details seem to corroborate that trump was also trying to use his attorney evan corcoran to keep these documents hidden. cork ran says he d been told there were no more classified documents anywhere at mar-a-lago, and that strengthens the case for the crime-fraud exception that will allow corcoran to testify against