forever, who have information, who want to give it. as long as they re given a pathway to do so. there will be republicans. what i was going to say to jeffrey s point, sorry to interrupt, what john bolton was telling us, spirited discussion last week, is his main take away here is that donald trump couldn t pull off the coup, right? the big thing is there is the institutions held and trump was too ham handed to make it happen. that s the glass half full interpretation of the insurrection. there s also the glass half emptied, the guy tried. he tried. he had jeffly clark the number three in the justice department trying really hard to overthrow the government. so, what are we supposed to feel? we re supposed to feel good it didn t work or should we be terrified that it really got very close, david? i think we can feel both. i think we have to feel both because i think the importance of this committee is to spell out how dedicated trump was to pulling this off.
would step up and talk and say no more. that was not true in the second impeachment because people still feared donald trump and feared his political impact. so, that s the key point. the other one is i think we have to also look at these horrible events and realize that our institution held. here is somebody who has put an acting capacity at the justice department and still has the guts to say, you know what, there s something bigger than me. that s this role that i m in at the justice department and our government has to work with integrity and he s stepping forward to say exactly what happened. that s a great to that point, you know, there s a lot of talk about how partisan this committee supposedly is. it s not because there s republicans on it, but i think it s important to note and emphasize the fact that the people who will be testifying with the most important information serve donald trump, right? there s going to be many republicans i think who are willing to talk. part
and what durbin himself has described as really the process of an attempted coup. but we also have to be relieved that the institutions did hold, that there were members of his own party who were breaking from this particular path by trump that the military was resisting and that even kind of scaled down justice department had figures who were willing to step up and say, no, we can t do this. even under threat that he would be removed. again, the time in which it happened was important because i think there are enough people like a jeffrey rosen who recognized this is out of control and he doesn t have the authority to do this. and he could with stand the pressure that others had not before. amman ad i want to ask you, changing topics here about infrastructure, because it advanced in the senate and you saw republicans joining that move. but we re talking about two bills here, right? we have the one that is bipartisan. then there s the huge infrastructure bill that is