lindsey graham. here s the grayest shade of gray and the biggest element, it s the gray a matter between vladimir putin s ears. it s whatever s going on in his mind, and that s what we have to answer. gillian is certain and i appreciate her certain i about what would provoke american response what we do no not know is what will provoke a vladimir putin response. i agree there are things we can do short of launching the nukes to deter vladimir putin, but what we really need to be considering and it s not being a putin tool and it s not being a propagandist to try to say let s attempt to understand his mind because if you don t understand the mind of your enemy, you cannot defeat your enemy. howard: yeah. and that is challenging these days with putin being so isolated. gillian, do you think the saturation coverage of this war by very bravists including those at this brave journalists including at this network has hammered hope that putin is a
yeah, i mean it s essentially the job and essentially what we have to do. but i i try my best to paint a picture of of what s going on. the best, most accurate and honest picture of what is going on around us and i do my best we do our best to insert ourselves in places that readers and viewers cannot go themselves. um, so in that sense, i feel like i have to bring them into the storm for them to understand what and how the storm feels like. when you think about what putin did to grozny and what he did to aleppo, um, compared to what is happening in ukraine, is the only difference right now sort of a strong presence of reporters, especially from la times, cnn, and other news outlets which is sort of documenting the saturation coverage almost what is happening here. because if you weren t here, i wasn t here, our news organization wasn t here do you
clearly going very poorly. howie: right. we all have seen the images. juan, what bothered many media people on the right as i said at the top was the fact that the president and his top national security officials didn t admit that anything had gone wrong, everything went as well as it possibly could, nobody could have predicted the afghan collapse and all that. why can t commentators on your side admit that much of this was horribly handled? well, i think that the key point is that they got out of the war and obviously most americans agree with that, liberal and conservative. so we re talking then about the withdrawal and i think that there has been lots of dissent there. now, you can say, you know that, the divide between left and right, howie but i think you watch any channel in america, no matter their orientation and there s much coverage, almost saturation coverage of the foreign policy implications, the potential for future terrorist attacks as a result of the
pretty insulated. yeah. he may follow the bill clinton governor northam of virginia book. i want to talk about the media, too but somewhat different way. with all due respect the new yorkization of the media, all of the cable and networks are in new york. the rest of us out here in america are not all that interested, even though i was born and bred in new york city this is not the most important thing in the country we are getting saturation coverage of this. what he did was, at least offensive, unwanted, maybe criminal. but, again, another point about the media it s all about the unwanted sexual advances now about what amy was talking about, deaths. nobody was raped, nobody died an the sexual advances a lot of people died in nursing homes. the moral order here is out of place and the media is not helping us get it in the right place. shannon: the doj said it s not going to look into nursing home deaths or policy that
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