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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 22:46:00

so, one of our roles is to receive complaints from victims and survivors into reviews of their cases. what we need to do that is collect information from the national safeguarding team or across the church of england, so we established an independent service level agreement between the independent safeguarding board and the church of england and we signed that but they didn t sign it. so, we couldn t access any information. an independent body, surely, should have no no go areas but we were finding ourselves in that position. yeah, i mean, we ve spoken to the church of england and they ve given us a response. yeah. they reject many of the accusations that you make, specifically about things like you claiming that you were told by officials that you were too survivor focused. they say that is a complete misrepresentation of what you were told. they also say that you and

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 22:45:00

that is the safeguarding panel/board, and there are two key figures on it, yourself and steve reeves. you seem to have cooperated quite a lot. at every turn, we ve been told, you can t do that, even though we re supposedly independent. you seem to be saying that having set this board up, they had no intention of letting you and the board members do the real work. i m notjust saying it, i can give the evidence of that. i mean, i d been on the board since september 2021, right up tojune 2023. so, i had the experience of being part of a board that was developed in the church of england to ensure independent oversight of safeguarding, to ensure that we also had an oversight of the national safeguarding team, that the church of england has to deal with safeguarding. and what was happening to us was that at every point we tried to make decisions, to be that very independent body, our hands were being tied. let me give you an example.

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 22:34:00

they need to be heard. they want change and change is very slow for them. and today, as i sit here, as somebody who was removed from that role and accused of being too survivor focused by a very senior member of the national safeguarding team, i feel aggrieved for victims and survivors, in all honesty, stephen. well, i m going to stop you there because before we get into the detail of your relationship with the church of england. and i should just say, as you ve made one specific allegation, they have specifically said that they did not accuse you of being too survivor focused, so we will revisit that. ok, that s fine. ..in much more detail. but before we get there, i think, for people to understand the passion you bring to this wider subject, we do need to revisit a little bit of your own story, your own past. you were born into a pretty traditional sikh family. parents migrated from india to the uk, to the midlands,

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