people, you take them out. right. all the population protection stuff, you know, maybe, maybe not, but let s keep our eye on the ball here. but you heard petraeus say today you can t just apply the rote lessons of iraq, whatever they may be, to afghanistan. these are different places, so i think it still remains to be seen. the rote lessons of iraq stop going to war. spencer ackerman, thanks for joining me tonight. so great to see you, chris. all right. coming up, elena kagan showed off her legal jujutsu skills. the republicans need to find a new line of attack and john bainer is sounding off, crying for big business and saying the financial crisis was an ant that congress killed with a nuclear weapon. my panel responds and strom a x stromtropical storm alex