my name is eric by the way. did they seem nervous or agitated? not really nervous or agitated. just kind of unemotional. even at times, cold towards the victim s father. he was a far and he says his mouth everybody. and as they told their stories. detective started noticing subtle differences. and they had blue, fuzzy gloves. they looked like women s winter driving gloves. or something. a physique. they had i know they had purple gloves. purple, you know, your medical gloves. lots of details in which they didn t agree. so sergeant knutson employ a well-known prerelease interview technique. he got tough. accusing. quite frankly, i think this story is a bunch of crap. i think this story is a bunch of crap that you and roger have come up with. okay? i m sorry you don t believe me. but i m trying to. does it sound too rehearsed
confusion and the sort of thing that would make a polygraph quite useless. i said, how could i have failed? i did not do this. so, was he lying? or did police have it all wrong? they didn t know how to proceed. they could not find fingerprints because the people had gloves on. they did not find a gun because they took it with them. they did not know what to do, so being confused, they went after the easiest subjects they could find. it was us. the days piled up. a month, two months. four months in jail, waiting for their day at court. a day for which roger s lawyer wasn t quite so eager as they were. we had a case that i believed in. we had a case that i thought we could defend. at the end of the day, i was scared. and no one was prepared when one cold winter day, in the utah county sheriff s office, the phone rang.
who turned on his audio recorder when he met kay s son roger, and roger s wife pam. roger had found the body was already suggesting possible killers. he told me he had appointment for lunch at noon with a guy named mike kip, discussing $25,000 worth of guns. mike kip? mike was kay s former student. roger and pam identified him real quick, saying he s involved. he owes my dad money. he s the one that did this. roger told detectives that kay was holding a collection of mike s weapons. about 30 of them, mostly pistols and rifles. and some shotguns. kay put the guns in his bunker. roger thought there might be a grudge involved. when detectives went to look for the guns they were gone. so we pull in michael kip and we interview him and we can get his alibi, its quick. nothing suspicious about it, it turned out. mike had not nothing to do with
work much. lived on disability. but he liked to hang out with his dad. we lived less than a mile apart because we did enjoy spending so much time together. if i ever needed needed help, he would be there in a minute to help me. although, said roger s wife pam, it wasn t always easy. that s just the way kay was wired. roger s dad was a very strong willed person. it was his way or the highway. so, roger learned early to shy away from confrontation with his father. not at all how it was with his new love, darla. when she was around they said kay s tough hide melted. we knew then that he really loved her and that he was willing to compromise. and do something so that he could make her happy, also. did it seem to kind of soften him up a little bit? yes. yes, it did. a lot.
where you and i are going to end up, because there is going to be a nuclear war. i would say, i don t want to live if everybody else is. dying. [laughs] so, he was a true patriot. he worried about things and wanted to be prepared for the civil war that was going to erupt. so, he was little over the top. darla wasn t thrilled about it. but she accepted him and his radical views. after all, they were still kind of in their honeymoon phase. it was all kind of surreal. i think we both felt like we were back being teenagers again. [laughs] so because we both hadn t really had love for quite a few years. they found each other late in life. after both had raised families. kay had three adult children by then. one of whom, his eldest, roger, stayed close. he was my best friend. we did everything together. mind you, roger was not at all like kay. for one thing, he d suffered a brain injury in an accident years ago. so, unlike kay, he couldn t